Welcome to Peter Moore's Official Blog

011235 said:

Uhm,

Not sure ur next business model is making a lot of sense honestly. Problem being most pc versions of EA games were simply not as good as the console ones. Make good pc game and you'll sell, and make sure u have a competitve price. The  bugged old gen visually inferior pc versions never made any sense.

And for god's sake, it is time for rugby (at least we'll have a cricket game from ur competitors...)

Samgman said:

Now that we are starting to see information about Tiger for PC and the direction EAS is going hopefully we will start to get information on Madden for PC when available. Maybe something will be annouced during E3? Or pehaps following? We Madden PC fans are eagerly awaiting for any news when it develops.

I applaud EAS efforts in bringing back the PC platform titles. It will be interesting to hear more information about the mult-tiered subscription for Tiger PC. How much will each tier be and what does each tier offer? What does/will the Tiger Woods PGA Tour Online offer that is different from the console based Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10?

Good luck with your subscription efforts. I do not know how many will subscribe but time will tell.

By the way Peter, in my opinon, it's not about having the "right to know" about a pc title it's more about common courtesy. You made a statement several months ago about the pc titles returing and then you did not offer any followup after that. Questions were asked, and people felt ignored. I respect that you have limits on what you can or can't say but if your going to make the statement like that  you should be prepared to have some kind of follow up on it or don't make the statement at all.

Onlcky173 said:

thought there would be a disk but if the cost is low enough cause alot of players i know might no pay for subscribtion

Isophanes said:

Every aspect of this (from the "premium downloadable content, downloads sponsored by advertisers, micro-transactions, free-to-play models and massive tournament play") sounds great.

One request:

Please, please, PLEASE, do this for Grand Slam Tennis, as well.

Please, thank you.

magsru99 said:

Hmmm, maybe I posted a week or so too early raczilla?   :)

Sounds an awful lot like what I had described in the post that was taken down on the previous thread. Good to finally see some news in this area, it confirms where I believed the platform would be heading. Hopefully your community interaction in this venture, both in requirements gathering and testing will continue as well as it has in other area.

Good post Peter.

aggiefan4life2 said:

Not a lot of information but I respect the fact that you can't discuss much at the moment.

It appears that the customers who purchase at the brick and morter locations are out of luck.  

The customers who wish to change out hard drives are out of luck since they will have to contact EA Sports to download.  

I will not pay a monthly fee every month to access a game under ANY circumstances.  

I have tried out Tiger Woods for the 360 and I do not have to be online with my console to play the game.  I will be buying Tiger Woods for 360 until I am able to put a physical disc in my hands.  You will lose my business if and when you decide to stop shipping physical discs for the consoles.  

Peter Moore - You are failing at reviving the PC platform.

I am curious as to why this announcement has not been posted to inside EA Sports blog.  

Good information and now I know how I will be voting with my money.  It will not be to Tiger Woods on the PC.

raczilla said:

Indeed Mags.  Where is EF?  I'm curious to get his thoughts about this post.

Aggiefan, you'll absolutely hear from some of the producers of Tiger Woods Online moving forward.    Stay tuned.  

EAcom Golf Tim said:

"It appears that the customers who purchase at the brick and morter locations are out of luck."

Can I ask what difference this makes? Do you know how many posts we get in the TW PC forums from users who are having to reinstall the game and have lost their installation code? Try thousands...

"The customers who wish to change out hard drives are out of luck since they will have to contact EA Sports to download."

Again, what does this have to do with the game. You install no game code to play this game. It is accessible from ANY PC or MAC. I fail to see the problem.

"I will not pay a monthly fee every month to access a game under ANY circumstances."

Your choice. As a rule, I don't either and never have. However, if a game comes along that is competitive price-wise with what I am currently playing and is compelling and updates and additional content is being offered (none of which is occurring now in the failed PC Sports market), then I will buy it.  

"I have tried out Tiger Woods for the 360 and I do not have to be online with my console to play the game.  I will be buying Tiger Woods for 360 until I am able to put a physical disc in my hands.  You will lose my business if and when you decide to stop shipping physical discs for the consoles."  

What if EA found a way to stream a game direct to your 360 instead of relying on physical media? I would buy that in a heartbeat. Especially for the 360 because it suffers from DVD size limitations in comparison to the PS3. This way, both consoles would be on equal footing. I have a feeling this is the future of PC and eventually console gaming.

"Peter Moore - You are failing at reviving the PC platform."

Your opinion. FAR too early to make any such claims. If in a year from now TW Online is a failure and other EA Sports PC games fail as well, then you can make that claim. Personally, this step for TW PC is a breath of fresh air and EA is doing everything possible to make is succeed. It is too bad you have already dismissed TW Online. Having played the first beta the past 10 days, this game has tremendous potential and if they deliver on their targets for this game, it will set a new standard for PC Sports games....IMO.

aggiefan4life2 said:

A few points here.

The 360 is not ready for online only gaming yet.  I am currently with trying to hook a 360 using a cord system which would involve running ethernet cable through multiple rooms or a I can buy a wireless device for my 360 which runs 86.99 to 99.99.  I hestitate to say where the 86.99 item is as I would like to pick up one in the near to distants future.  It will all depend on how much money is left after purchasing NCAA 2010.  Tiger Woods 2010 360 is next on that list so the wireless adapter will be third on that list.  

I don't see online only games for consoles coming untill at least the next generation of consoles and I have yet to hear any problems of piracy being reported for the consoles so this is still a long ways away.  

The next point is regarding hard drives.  I download the game to hard drive 1.  I don't back up Tiger Woods product.  I purchase new hard drive to replace old hard drive.  What do I  do now?  Do I have to redownload?  Is EA Sports going to stick out their hands and request money?  I am assuming that this new product will have a cost associated with it.  

The procedure with the old product style has been to buy a new hard drive and stick CD in computer and install.  The only thing lost was your old savegames and/or game progress.  

This game that EA Sports is putting out appears to be a sucessor to Tiger Woods 2008 which is the last game that was available on the PC.  I understand from initial reports that the club tuner will not be available in the game.  I use this every time I purchase new clubs in the game for the 360.  Hopefully the horrible announcers from 2008 have been shown the door although the English guy in 2009 might be worse.  

I am not against EA Sports giving us Tiger Woods 2009 for the PC but at first glance it doesn't appear to be equivalent to Tiger Woods 2009 and will fall way short of what Tiger Woods 2010 is doing on the consoles.  I am looking at the possibility of buying Tiger Woods 2010 for the console or PC version.  I am only considering the PC version for charity purposes.  I want to see the PC platform make a return.

I know that I am in the minority here on this board.  I have never played any type of game online game.  Ever.  Do we count the pop-up games that Orbitz used to spam us with?  I used to play the golf game and baseball games when they popped up.  It is very difficult for me to put my computer at risk to play a downloadable game.   I do very little online shopping and will always shop at a brick and morter location when possible.  The reason is simple.  A real live person is present when you have problems.  What happens when you download the game and your version is corrupted?  I take the game back with brick and morters and get a new one.  How do I know that hackers will not be able to hack into the EA Sports system and steal credit card information?  How can I be sure that hackers are not planting viruses into the EA Sports files?  I don't have this problem with CDs.  

One thought on paying per month for a game.  What happens if I go on vacation for a month and don't use the game?  Will I still be charged for a game that I didn't play?  Online sounds great for vacations but some of the areas I go to on vacations I am lucky to get a cell phone signal much less connect to the net to play a game.  I will go ahead and answer the next question that will asked of me.  Torrey, Utah is an example of a location where I literally had been driving all day with no cell phone signal and pulled into the hotel parking lot and got a signal so that I could check in with family.  There were a total of two hotels in the town and it was extremely doubtful that you would find wireless connectivity.  This could be a huge convenience for business travelers in the big cities but not every location has great or even poor wireless connectivity.  I have been know to take my consoles with me on vacations that I take in my car so that I that I can watch movies or play games.  It is easy to get tired of watching just channels 2 to 13.  Do not laugh.  I have been in locations where this was the channel selection and it has been in recent years.  

The biggest issue I see with this platform is going to be price.  I hope that EA Sports is smart enough not to charge us 59.99 for this version of the game.  EA Sports needs to price this competively so that PC users will have to consider it as an option.  

You will have to pardon me if this a long post.  For the first time in months I can actually discuss the PC platform and not be accused of going off-topic.  

Peter Moore - You have done good today and I am not cursing you as I have in previous posts.  The information is greatly appreciated and I hope to hear more soon.  

EF-Hybrid1 said:

I guess that it is time for me to break my self-imposed silence.  Peter Moore has caught up with the news and is ready to publicly confirm that a new version of Tiger Woods for the PC is in the works.  This is revolutionary.  

EA Sports is assuming that we take our computers with us when we travel.  Most people do take laptops with them but I go against the grain which is the norm for me.  I usually pack a carryon bag when traveling by plane and that is it.  The laptop requires that I pack a charger and I have to allow space to pack the laptop in.  

I can't see this game being playable on cell phones and even this would result result in additional fees by the cell phone providers.  

I also don't play many games online.  I connect to the internet to download updates and that is it for online gaming.  Let's get this straight.  I get to connect to the internet to play a game.   What happens if I decide to connect when the servers are busy or down for maintenance?  The great MSN website was down for some unknown reason earlier in the week.  With playing a game online we will be out of luck when the online problems arise.  This is a problem we didn't have with the previous versions of PC titles.  One of my more recent frustrations with online-piracy combatting devices came when I had forgotten my Steam password.  I had it written down but had misplaced where I had placed the password.  The problem came when I clicked on the forgot password icon and lterally waited for days for the great Steam to send my password.  

Going completely online with a game is an extremely risky venture and there is no guarantee that EA Sports will make money using this method.  We are supposed to expect updates for Tiger Woods PC when they have released a grand total of zero patches for Tiger Woods 08 on the PC.  This is supposed to magically change because of going to an online product.  Releasing patches for customers to download has been too difficult in the last two years?  Why will chage now?  

The console product offering appears to be superior to the PC version.

I won't get into discussions for what information has been provided and hasn't been provided.  My feelings on the subject are well documented here on this blog.  We have received information and that all that matters now.  

EF-Hybrid1 said:

Having also played Tiger Woods 09 for the 360 let me start with some questions with commentary attached.

Will the PC version incorporate Hank Haney and his tips?  Not having him might be a plus but his advice does help make your shots better.  There needs to be difficulty rating associated with Mr. Haney and his tips.  I am penalized with a reduction in my power shot after playing a round of golf hitting into 30 mile per hour winds.  This will naturally effect one's distance but you are still docked for it.  I was told that all aspects of my game needed work after I defeated Singh in the Tiger Challenge.

Tiger Challenge needs to return.  This is a fun way to play a quick game.  Sometimes a challenge is as simple as driving a ball three times for a certain distance.  

I am looking forward to Scott Van Pelt announcing the golf.  The past announcers have made Beavis and Butthead look intelligent.  They have made the Hazzard County Sheriffs Department look like real official law enforcement officials.  I have probably given away too much of my age here but I don't care.  I enjoy Scott Van Pelt on the radio so I hope I don't hate listening to him in the game.  I hope that the vocabulary for the golfers improves so that they know more than three phrases.  So far I have heard from my golfer the following.  Not over there.  Where's the break?  I can't think of the third but they don't have much of a vocabulary.  My dog has a bigger vocabulary than that.  

I am hoping that this means that we will hear from Mr. Moore and we can get his input on what needs to happen for this game.  I would like to hear a full update on what the future holds for other PC titles but I will be happy that we got this information.  Any answer to if Head Coach will make a return for 2010?    I believe that Aggiefan2 asked this question during the last blog.  

spikel said:

First off, I do not think you would have to rebuy Tiger Woods Online to reinstall it. Many of you seem afraid of change and also seem unaware of the uprising of the f2p/p2p online gaming market. They have already stated earlier that the game will most likely be free to play with a pay to play option that will not give you any big advantages. Also, if you changed harddrives you would simply redownload the game for free. The subscription I would think would be tied to your account.

rottenotto said:

I predict that the hue and dry from the PC congregation will be deafening. For years, they ( by and large) have asked for very small changes and bug improvements for new editions..........AND a new course architect. I understand that the rights to the CA are probably not owned by EA , but that doesn't preclude a license.

While most of the immediate reaction will be heavily skewed toward the negative, the community will , most likely, come around as they do each year to appreciate what a new development this might be, and the promise that it holds....

rsm.masters@gmail.com said:

I'm hoping to get in on the beta test to see for myself the actual way things are going to work out. I have been playing this game since TW99 online and have made a lot of good friends with this game.

Lets wait and see if it is as good as they say it will be as we really don't have any choice in the matter anyway.

Bring on the beta.

EAcom Golf Tim said:

Aggiefan and EF,

You have alot of good questions. Some have answers, some don't have answers just yet. However, what EA has announced today about TW Online (It will not be called TW10) is just the tip of the iceberg. Due to NDA, I am not at liberty to disclose any of this, but as the game prgresses through development and Beta, they will release additional information which should answer most, if not all of your concerns. What I will say is this...if EA Sports delivers on the strategy they have for TW Online, I predict that this product will compete head to head with the console versions and in some cases surpass the console versions in features and pricing. EA Sports is making a HUGE effort to bring PC sports gaming back to the market and TW Online will lead the way, IMO....

EF-Hybrid1 said:

This is the first that I have heard about Tiger Online being offered for free.  I am probably in the minority here since I enjoy the single-player experience.

If I understand this correctly then this is not a game that will reside on any particular hard drive.  I am a full-time student who has gone back to school after being in industry so the ability for this game to function on a variety of computers would be important to me.  I use computers at school that use Windows XP, Server 2003, and Server 2008 opertating systems.  I communicate on the net in sites like these during my free time which usually occurs between classes.  I also have a personal computer that is more than able to run the potential games.  The ability to play golf would be great in our classroom since we are currently limited to the exciting choices that ship with Windows.  

I don't understand how EA Sports expects to turn a profit by providing a game for free but I won't argue with them doing it.  It seems to me that the hackers were getting the game for free in the past and that's what got us to this point.  I don't usually buy games online and will stick to the traditiional method if given the opportunity.  

My main thing has been comparing Tiger Woods 2009 and 2010 to the new product.  I have been playing through Tiger Woods 09 for the 360 and love it.  I would love to have the identical program on the PC because the PC controls are easier to use but the consoles controls have improved by leaps and bounds.  I played a game when EA Sports first put the golf series on the consoles and the controls were beyond horrible.  I swore that I would never go back to that again but missing out on Tiger 09 for the PC and seeing Tiger 09 half-price in a clearance rack convinced me to try golf once again.  After all, Hot Shots Golf has always been a good game that is fun to play.  More cartoony than the real life simulation that EA Sports puts out.  

It will be interesting to see how good this new product is and how it is able to function in a mobile environment.  

PDUBZ said:

I also have been playing online since pga tour gold and would really like to get involved with the beta testing.  Really looking forward to getting back to playing with old buds from the past. Good to know your still plaing newf. (chip)

Samgman said:

Until EAS provides more information I can only speculate that the "free" part of Tiger Online would probably only allow you to play a round on golf on one course. Then as part of the multi-tiered subscription for a certain amount you would probably get more courses, more pro shop items, community play, etc. The higher the subscription price the more you would get. The pricing will be interesting.  Again I'm only speculating until more info is released, but I think that they might run between $5.00 - $15.00 per month per tier.

Another thing I was wondering was about the suspend a game feature. Will this only work on the computer you are currently using or will you be able to suspend gameplay on one computer and resume it again later on a different computer? Being a browser based game will it require the use of "cookies" to keep track of your stats/games etc or will it create its own file on the hardrive of the computer you are using or on its own server?

Hopefully the next batch of info released from EAS will help to answer some of these and other questions.

raczilla said:

Some good questions/comments EF.  Obviously, we'll continue to release more information as we get closer.  

Also, for those who aren't aware, one of the Tiger Woods Online dev team members is on Twitter.  You can follow him at the link below.  That will be another good resource for learning more information about the game.

twitter.com/EA_GregRinaldi

aggiefan4life2 said:

Let me just start off my post by saying that I haven't completely ruled out trying out the Tiger Woods Online expirment yet at this point.  I am disappointed by a number of things that I have read concerning this new launch.

My expectations for the new product have been that we would get a version of Tiger Woods  Golf that is equivalent to the console versions or that would exceed those versions.  I would be very happy to put Tiger Woods 09 on my PC and wait for 2010 equivalent in a year.  I have learned how to adapt and have completely enjoyed the Tiger Woods 2009 on the 360.  I can't wait to see the 2010 version.  

So far this product is falling far below my expectations for the product.  There are going to be a total of three courses launching with the game.  Yes, I know that Peter Moore and others can't speculate until they are ready to talk but apparently the link provided below has found out that there will be a total of three courses when this experiment launches with the promises of more depending on how the product performs.  We might actually be able to play on 4 total courses by this time next year or have promises of four courses.  

This whole process feels like the way EA Sports brought the football games to the next-generation consoles.  They released football games that had very little in terms of game modes.  I won't say that the new Tiger Online game has superior graphics to the consoles because I haven't seen the game yet.  This game isn't going to require the latest video card and is trying hard to cater to all of the various PC's out there so you will most likely get middle of the road graphics.  It won't blow away the consoles but it won't be any worse either.  

I still think that is a huge risk to put a game completely online.  EA Sports is catering primarily to the hardcore gamer with this approach and will not reach gamers who walk into a Best Buy and see the game running on demo.  The fans who do not routinely follow gaming news have not heard about this game and it is doubtful that they will know that such a product exists which sets this experiement up for failure.  I still don't see how shipping a PC game costs more than shipping a game for the 360.  The whole idea that this costs more money is lost on me.  The primary problem all long has been the hackers stealing the game for free and the EA Sports solution appears to give everybody the game for free and hopefully someone will buy some of the extra features.  I also notice that other divisions in EA are continuing to ship games and haven't gone with the "lucrative" strategy of putting them completely online.  EA Sports must know something that the other divisions within EA don't.  This is a risk that I am predicting will fail.  I hope that I am wrong but this has a New Coke look to it and we all know how that turned out.  Isn't it known as Sam's Cola or something now?  

Sorry to be the one speaking negatively about the game but I haven't seen a whole lot that has impressed me about this game.  

I will make final judgement on the game once it is released and/or all relevant information is revealed.  

aggiefan4life2 said:

I finished ranting/posting without posting the promised link.  Anyways, here it is.  

pc.ign.com/.../988023p1.html

EAcom Golf Tim said:

The IGN article you quote has some errors in it.....several errors.

aggiefan4life2 said:

I won't ask what errors are in the article although I suspect that being Mac compatiable might be one of them.  More will be known as more and more articles are written.  I caught the tail end of Peter Moore's address at the E3 EA Press Conference but apparently I tuned in after Tiger Online was discussed.  I am hoping that maybe somebody has archived the press conference.  I would be interested in the EA Sports part but I would like to listen to it all as I have varied interest in a number of EA's divisions.

Peter mentioned some theme during the press conference but it was so profound that I don't remember it now.  Please note that I am not trying to be sarcastic.  It went along with the presentation.  

Mad Eye Moody said:

Hey EA golf Tim (can you pass this to management)

Why does it seem as if EA teams do not share source code?  For example Madden has fantasy draft, but NHL does not.  NBA has Live365 and other EA games do not.  These are small examples and I'm sure fans could come up with a laundry list of things.

The point is that every single EA game should have a cookie cutter shell of sorts (menus, interfaces, stat gathering, etc...) Then drop each specific sport into said shell.  Of course there will be minor tweaks here and there to tailor to each sport, but there is no reason why each of your franchises can't have fantasy draft implemented for each game all the same year.  Same idea with the Be A Pro modes, Madden had it years ago and finally it hit NHL, does the NBA game even have this yet?  With code sharing all the lower level features (character creation, menus, etc...) should be available to all your teams.

Do you guys not have a code library that you are creating and sharing?  I don't know what style of programming you are doing, but even beginner coders are taught how to make their own libraries so you don't need do everything from scratch all the time.  Say you are in a character editor there should already be functions coded for say rotating the view using the shoulder buttons, that is something all your franchises can use.......you get the idea.

In this lousy economy it would be beneficial to have one team working on core features that can be shared throughout games and smaller teams focused on sport specifics.  Just really seems you'd save time and money this way.  So what is the deal Peter Moore?  Do you guys do anything like this?  Just seems like the corporate structure supports my guess here the way EA rolls out features in different sports games that existed in the other games years ago.

djmwau said:

Well, well, well.  Once again us PC users get screwed.  I  heard about "A New Direction" for PC users and was hopeful.  In theory this may seem like a good idea...... Where it is actually going to end up is ala carte $$$$$$$ Ka Ching Ka Ching. Same philosophy as drug dealers. All you PC users who are going to fall for this one might as well just bend over now.  Nice Job EA !!!!  Let me know when you come out with the real game.

spikel said:

Sigh, another person judging the game before it's out.

tay1062@hotmail.com said:

i signed up for the beta, but is crashes after you finshed the last questionaire???

Inside EA said:

By Tiger Woods PGA TOUR Online Live Producer Greg Rinaldi: Hello EA SPORTS fans, Greg Rinaldi here from

juliothom011170@gmail.com said:

This was a self fulfilling statement.

EA PC Sports games were essentially PS2 ports. Hardware wise, my PC laps what current gen console can do. You gave PC gamers crappy ports, then wondered why they didn't sell?

Once EA had no competition in the PC spaces for the PGA and NFL, we got sloppy seconds and were essentially told to just "deal with it".

2K Sports did an NBA game with current gen graphics at a reduced price (it was missing the entire online component the consoles did), and it sold well.

Imagine that, bringing over a game to PC with CURREN gen graphics while not charging the same price for a game with fewer features than the console. Get a clue?

I'll definately try TWO, but I don't see how an online only model for a non-MMO title is beneficial to me in any way. I feel I should be able to install and play TW without NEEDING to be online.

zanglerska@yahoo.com said:

EA...be honest with yourselves and ask "when was the last time we actually TRIED to use the PC to its max potential?"

my brother bought Fifa 09 after playing it at a friends house on ps3...and we were both horrified at how crappy it was. he swore it was not the same game and there was some mistake. iphone soccer seriously looks better.

it is shameful and pathetic.

bocopolo said:

when i played world tour golf, it was plain slow even on with the fast connection at work.

i m from hong kong

cannot imagine how it would be possible for me to play the new game if the server is in us.

a real let down