Welcome to Peter Moore's Official Blog

EF-Hybrid said:

It gets me less excited for the PC platform.  The majority of the conversation revolved around Madden.  I am not interested in Madden for the PC.  I am interested in Tiger Woods for the PC.  My philosphy goes as follows on a yearly basis.  NCAA first for the 360 and Madden second for the 360 if the money is there.  Tiger Woods used to be after Madden but with the shift of the release dates this might change.  

EA Sports is Peter Moore's baby.  He will be accountable for any and all results that EA Sports produces.  

I believe that an online-only business model is extremely risky.  The only argument that I have heard is regarding piracy.  I find it odd that EA can ship a PC product in-store but EA Sports is going to shift completely to online products.  I am probably in the minority here but I do very little shopping online except for plane tickets and hotels.  I will always buy in a brick and morter location versus online merchants.  The reason is simple.  If I have a problem with my physical disc that I buy in a store, I can go back into the store within the refund period so that the merchant can correct the problem.  I get to call a 1 800 number if I buy something online.  

What happens when a corrupt version of EA Sports new products happens?  Hackers can gain access to these sights and could attach viruses.  So we get to download something that might not work and put our computers at risk because EA Sports has determined that online-only is in everyone's best interest?  

If the head of EA Sports would actually address the issue then we might have a better idea of what the direction of EA Sports will be in the near future.  I know that Peter Moore is determined to ignore the issue but the issue will not die just because Peter doesn't want to address it.  I guess that Raczilla has a higher rank inside of EA Sports since he was allowed to discuss the issue.  

I also find it very disturbing that Peter Moore doesn't have any problem addressing the media but simply says nothing to us who have asking for information for months now.  This should tell everyone how high on the importance scale Peter ranks us.  He thinks so much of us that he will talk to the media before us.

I believe that the rumored course of action will set up EA Sports up for more failures.  Spore was a big hit for EA Maxis and the reason was because of online integration.  All you had to do was enter an e-mail address when starting up.  You get to see what items have been added since your last visit and you download instantly.  Online components have worked but I don't believe that online-only is ready.  

aBiNeR said:

Leave online-only products to those that know what they are doing online...and they are NOT EA Sports.

magsru99 said:

Wow, they took that down?  Sigh.... That's really disappointing.

Aanyway, I wasn't saying an online-exclusive model, but certainly an online model going forward. Could apply to any of the sports franchises, the model remains the same. You can customize a golfer the same way as anything else.

I was just hoping to prod some discussion around the platform and the future vision of EA in terms of online and microtransaction gaming, something they seem to be heading towards in the near future.

aBiNeR said:

Don't you folks think it's a little premature to consider EA sports start taking these approaches when you consider win-trading (among other imbalances) is still an existing issue in their online games for the past 7 years?

LandoKiwi5 said:

Wow!  NHL 10 looks and sounds Awesome!!

The PS2 and PC users are flipping EA the bird right now.

"Thanks" jerks...you could spend money on that waste of time 3 on 3 crap couldn't you?

EF-Hybrid said:

Ultimately, we will speak with our money.  I can't help whether Peter Moore and EA Sports listen to us but I can control where I spend my money.  Will PC games be a failure or a sucess under Peter Moore?  I would venture to say that they are a failure at the moment.  The longer he waits to discuss the issue the bigger failure he becomes in my mind.  

Notice that the latest technique used by Peter Moore is to not achknowledge the discussion in the comments section.  Just him talking to the media instead of us speaks volumes for what Peter Moore and EA Sports think of us.  I notice that Peter Moore hasn't exactly rushed to tell us that isn't the case.  

The NHL fighting scenes look cool but that game is really far on my list of games to play.  

magsru99 said:

Mods, as I have posted on nearly every thread since Peter's blog opened up, I would love to know why my post was removed? Is there something in the TOS against a mature discussion on the future of the PC platform?

Samgman said:

That was a good post Magsru99. I was able to read it before it was removed. Very interesting. You must have touched someone's nerve at EAS. I hope that whatever direction they take with Madden, Tiger and the other PC Titles they don't shortchange us. We just want to be able enjoy our favorite title the way the consoles do.

If Peter and EAS do come out with a microtransaction type of system let's hope they don't get too greedy and charge for every little thing that would be normally available to the console versions.

EF made a good point about hackers. I would be interested to hear about how they would plan to keep the hackers from their system. And what if their systems are down and someone cannot access a title or download?

If it's our business that Peter wants let's see if what they come with will be something worth buying.

EF-Hybrid said:

Good comments by everyone.

Translation.  The balls in your court, Peter.

Feel free to jump into the conversation any month now.  

Magsru99 said:

Regarding hackers: There is some level of things that will always be there, be it hacks (like aimbots), piracy, or things like plug-pullers. With an online system, you could be essentially running a dumb terminal much like the OnLive system hopes to deliver. You have better control of things as it resides in your server farm. Warcraft is a pretty good example, but there are others.

Downtime is downtime, there's no guarantee now with the EA servers, so it's not much of an issue. It'd be built into the EULA.

Another point I wanted to make in addition to that original thread was the concept of game development. Since you move to a browser/server based system, your client install variables go way down. That's one of the major obstacles of developing games for a PC. You have an infinite number of drivers/hardware combinations to contend with. Even wtih standards like DirectX, you still have variables to deal with. That's a major plus of console development, the specs are the same. When you develop games like Battlefield: Heroes, or Battlefield 1943 which is upcoming, you are basically building around a lite client install (like Flash for example) and a Browser that supports it. It opens up a bigger user base as most PCs would be able to install the client software with much lower requirements if the main game processing is done remotely.

I really wish they hadn't pulled my original post. I'd love to hear Peter's thoughts on it, or someone from EA's development or marketing teams. If there's a better place for the discussion, let me know. I'm all for the increased interaction, but I'd like to talk of things with more substance than if my favorite player has the right color finger tape on his right index finger.

It sure beats the "Why won't you tell me if <game title> is coming out" threads.

Samgman said:

Good points Magsru99. It will be interesting to see what if anything EAS does with that concept if they go in that direction.

In relation to the microtransactions, if they go with that, I'd be interested to hear from them, when information is available, where they would draw the line from the core elements to the purchased elements. Where in Madden would this happen? Stadium/Uniform acces/upgds? Customizing a player in Superstar or some similar mode? What about those who play Franchise? Or head to head?, or qiuckplay? What would EAS sell to them? In Tiger I can see customizing your golfer, but there is only so much you can do? What else would they try to see? Possibly other courses? Would there be those who would pay for more courses or would that turn some away?

It would be nice to get some clear answers/info from them when available.

EF-Hybrid said:

I may be in the minority but I just want support for the basic game.

I don't care anything about playing on-line.  I don't plan on getting any DLC.  Downloadable content for those who don't know the initials.  

Where will the support be for those of us who upgrade the hard drives?

World of Warcraft is a good example but there were original game discs to install when you first purchased the game or expansions.  My experience has been that online game generally have lower experiences.  The graphics will not be there simply in the interest of making it available for everybody.  Crysis is one of the most physically demanding games out there and you wouldn't be able to put it online.  Another example of an EA product that was sold in stores.  

I prefer a Spore-like system where the game is playable if you are off-line.  

I realize that this may not be the place to discuss PC games but I have asked repeatedly for where to go to interact with the people who are developing this product.  This would be a place similar to the development blogs which EA Sports is apparently not using anymore.  I have asked why several times and Peter Moore has chosen to ignore my questions as usual.  

As usual, Peter Moore has repeatedly ignored my request for this information.  It might indicate that EA Sports is considering returning to the PC platform.  We can't have that.  I find it interesting that Raczilla hasn't been seen since he spilled the beans.  

I guess Peter Moore took him into his office and yelled at him for communicating with the bloggers.  

The conversation probably went something like this --

"How dare you communicate with the bloggers?!  How dare you actually answer their questions?  You know that communication is strictly forbidden on this blog!!!  You are supposed to have the Game Announcement memo memorized.  You are supposed to whip it out whenever questions are asked.  I don't care what the question is.  We can make it apply to everything that we don't feel like answering.  Don't you ever ever post on my blog again.  You scum."

The PC Gamers are not going away, Peter.  The longer you ignore us then the longer we will continue to ask questions.  

EAcom Golf Tim said:

"I realize that this may not be the place to discuss PC games but I have asked repeatedly for where to go to interact with the people who are developing this product.  This would be a place similar to the development blogs which EA Sports is apparently not using anymore.  I have asked why several times and Peter Moore has chosen to ignore my questions as usual. "  

Since you have expressed interest in TW for PC, you could always participate in the Tiger PC forums at EA Sports. Can't really comment on TW PC at this point, but it IS coming and it is pretty compelling from what I witnessed in February. Sorry I can't divulge any more details than that as there is a tight lid on TW for PC right now. Sorry, I know that burns you and others, but it is for a good reason at this stage of development.

"The PC Gamers are not going away, Peter.  The longer you ignore us then the longer we will continue to ask questions."

NO ONE is asking you or any other PC gamers to go away. Objective discussions are great, but I do recognize they are only one-way at this point and that is frustrating. That being said, making personal comments about Peter isn't doing you or anyone else here any favors. And I can assure you that Raczilla had full authority to post what he did in the earlier blog. As I have stated before, EA will be forthcoming with TW PC information when they are comfortable with what they will be delivering. I am sorry that they aren't accomodating your requests, but there are good reasons for it which unfortunately I cannot disclose.

Take Care,

Tim  

TheRealTomJones said:

What happened to my comment about the 'Ashes Cricket 2009' game coming in July? Am I not allowed to talk about rivals, just EA? EA CRICKET, Come on! I want your controls, the amazing right-analog batting control! that was a break through yet you're not taking advantage of it by making a new cricket game!

EF-Hybrid said:

Politely asking for information has gotten us nowhere so what are we supposed to do?

I have visited the site that you refer and most of it is the same as what is posted here.  PC game is coming but we can't talk about details.

I want a place where we can talk directly to the people who are making the game not just other fans.  

The communication on here has been really bad and I hold Peter Moore responsible because he was the one who was asked the questions.  Ignoring someone is rude no matter how you try to justify it.  Peter Moore has made a habit of ignoring us for months now and I consider it extremely rude.  

Peter Moore will never tell us to go away but behind the scenes he wants to get rid of us for asking tough questions.  

What you are seeing here is months of poor communication being reflected in our posts.  Peter has spent months dodging our questions so that is being reflected here.  We are not asking about specific games but rather a specific platform which a member of EA Sports staff has already unofficially stated will be coming back.  

We are not trying to attack anyone personally but we are trying to press for answers to our questions.

On a side note let me say that I have had posts deleted for mentioning a competitor's products.  EA really frowns on that.  You aren't the first to have your post deleted and you want be the last.  Peter has actually addressed the Cricket issue in recent months as it relates to EA Sports.

I wish he would actually address the PC issue but I don't see it happening anytime soon.  

EAcom Golf Tim said:

EF,

Politely asking for information that EA is simply not ready to discuss is the issue. Also, this blog is not really intended as a two-way discussion format. I have stated numerous times that EA is not ready to discuss TW PC publicly, yet you and others keep pressing the issue. You aren't going to get anywhere with that approach because they will release information when they are ready, not when we demand it. It would be the same thing as you demanding another company to publicly discuss a product that they are not ready to discuss. It is called propriety and I know you don't like it, but you can politely ask for information about specific products all day long and if EA or any other company is not ready to discuss them, they won't. It is just that simple.

As stated above, no one is asking you to stop participating, but when you ask the same questions over and over, your furstration is only going to increase and it is not going to motivate EA to talk about the product any sooner. They have a set timetable for this and when that time comes, then we can all discuss this here and in the TW PC forums. I don't know what else to say other than I hate to see you spend all this time posting here when there is no information to discuss yet. Sorry, I wish this weren't the case.....

EF-Hybrid said:

It should be noted that Peter Moore answered questions to the media that were similar to what we are asking.

Why does the media get a response and we get ignored?

My asking of questions helps keeps the issue alive and doesn't let it die.

I was originally responding to a post that was removed so that it is how we got back on this topic.

Peter simply hasn't talked about anything more interesting.

WOW, Peter Moore watched game 7!!  Great.  Not much more to say than that and there you see how the topic goes off course.

We are still present and we will continue to make our presence felt.  

aggiefan4life2 said:

I must agree with EF-hybrid on a lot of these issues but we must all play the waiting game.

TheRealTomJones said:

It does annoy me when Peter talks about his personal hobbies and interests a little too much, this is an official EA website that should be solely related to the EA Sports franchise yet Peter constantly reminds us that he's a Liverpool fan and that they've just won/lost.......... WE KNOW!

We're interested in hearing about games Peter, that's why we come here and that's why you should do your job and get us excited every now and then, give us something to talk about other than Madden! Please... leave the footie banter etc to when you meet up with your mates!

dstlewis said:

I have been hearing about cricket 2009 for ages and there is no mention of it on the EA site.. am I to take it that there would be no more cricket games from EA?

Fk915 said:

As Peter has mentioned in the previous blogs there is no EA Cricket , the game does not exist. So people forget about EA Cricket ... Cricket gamers shouldnt be disappointed much coz there is a Cricket game coming on PS3 and Xbox 360 .. not from EA though ...

Springboks said:

Well Fk915 while you are so clued up h Cricket maybe you can tell what Moore said about Rugby?

Springboks said:

Oh Peter Peter pumpkin eater....  How I long for 30 seconds with you face to face! It will go some thing like this...... "Moore! EA rugby, can all the fans expect a new game or not?" then Moore can simply reply..... "Yes" or "No" and then I will do what Moore was suppose to do. Tell everyone!!!

raczilla said:

Hey guys,

Couple of thoughts/questions here.

Mags, what post are you referring to that was removed?  I'm not familiar with any posts having been removed from the blog recently.

EF, as Tim says, it is know that we'll be back on the PC, we're just not quite ready to share all of the details.  I don't know that I agree that you're seeing a lot of questions answered in the media that aren't being answered here in the blog.  Can you give me some examples?  What are your burning questions on Tiger for the PC?  

aggiefan4life2 said:

www.edge-online.com/.../upping-the-game

www.vg247.com/.../peter-moore-vs-vg247-round-one

The point is that Peter is talking to one group of people and refusing to talk to another.

These are publications that are accessible to the general public so that makes two people who are talking about the PC platform.  

Name one question about the PC platform that Peter Moore has addressed to this blog in the last year.  The last update that mentioned this topic by name was in June and that was almost one year ago.  

How do we go about getting Tiger Woods golf game for PC?

Do we get a physical disc?

Is it downloadable only?  

Is there any type of online verification being implemented similar to what EA launched Spore with?  

General idea of release date for Tiger Woods - PC edition?  Summer, Fall, Winter, etc.?  Will this be the same graphical quality as the current Tiger Woods 09?

Let me expand on the questions that I have just asked.  I have just recently picked up Tiger Woods 09 for the 360.  I will even plug an advertisement for EA Sports and state that I bought it on clearance from Target for just under half-price.  I will probably not pick up Tiger Woods PC edition if it is download only.  There is too much of a hassle when you have to change hard drives.  I would have to somehow contact EA Sports to recieve permission to download the file once again.  I don't know the copyright laws well but I have always been under the impression that you are only breaking the law if you are concurrently using two pieces of software at the same exact time.  I also know that certain software companies restrict the number of install including EA and Norton/Symantec.

Peter talks about the rising costs of shipping games and I just don't see it.  I have purchased games recently from other EA partners and I receive a disc with a limited instruction manual that usually includes a CD-key.  The 360 games that I buy come in the same type of packaging and they include a manual too.  I can see support being an issue but with online-only the support costs are going to magically drop to zero?  If I have a problem downloading Tiger Woods for the PC, will I be able to contact somebody to assist?  Will I be able to understand them?  I can see EA trying to contract their tech. support to India or whereever like all of the other companies out there.  I know that their some people that do not like having to talk to someone in a foreign country for support on a piece of software.  The language barrier is an issue in certain situations.  

I just don't see the costs that Peter Moore talked about and I find it ironic that EA's costs doubled in a year when PC games were not made by EA Sports.  Is the cost of making a PC game really what is affecting the financial performance of EA in general?  

I really question if the quality of Tiger Woods PC is going to be able to surpass the 360 version if it downloable only.  My experience has been that titles that are only available online don't have the visuals or gameplay that a traditional boxed product has.  People like to talk about World of Warcraft but you had to buy a box to start off with and the expansions required discs.  

If EA Sports is planning on launching a version of Tiger Woods that requires me to pay 5 dollars a month then you can count me out.  I don't care if it is 5 cents.  I am still not interested in paying to use a piece of software every month.  

Sorry if that a long-winded post but Raczilla asked what our burning questions were and I responded.  

Magsru99 said:

RAC, I sent you a copy of the discussion text on FB.

Springboks said:

EA RUGBY NEXT GEN????????????????? C'mon guys just a yes or no! How difficult can that be? The fans of the world's fasting growing sport deserve to know!

grahamfc said:

wiki.answers.com/.../What_is_the_fastest_growing_sport_in_the_world

Why would fans of Mixed martial arts care about a Rugby game?

aggiefan4life2 said:

www.gamespot.com/.../p-4.html

Peter - You should read this.  It doesn't provide any specific answer to piracy but it is still good reading.  

geobea said:

Instead of Peter wanking on (quite rightly) about the Mighty Reds he might like to learn of new technology that can quickly double EA's profits - and also  do wonders for the Reds. A win/win.

Perhaps the moderator could ask Peter to contact me. My claims aren't wank.

aggiefan4life2 said:

It seems like all is very quiet on the EA Sports front this week.  Too quiet.  Here and at the Inside EA Sports blog.  I am hoping that this means that all are concentrating on making some big announcements at E3.

Peter - I am assuming that Head Coach off of the table for this year since I haven't heard anything about this title.  I hope that EA Sports is preparing to relaunch this series in the springtime.  April has always seemed like an ideal date.  Would a football title sell launched in April or draft time?  I think we know that the answer is yes since Madden would be 4 months away.  I would like to see EA Sports integrate its football titles with this title.  Have the campus legends from the NCAA series competing to be drafted.  Have their draft status tracked in the weeks/days leading up to the draft.  The potential draftees could do workout drills to improve or ruin potential draft positions as they do in real life.

Notice that I am not in favor of scrapping the traditional NFL Head Coach gameplay.  The idea that I have would be an additonal game mode similar to NFL Superstar Mode is in Madden and Campus Legend is in NCAA.  Those who don't prefer it would still have the core game to play.  I would really like to see Head Coach come back to the PC platform as the complexity of the game makes it easier to play on the PC.  I would strongly recommend to EA Sports that they look at the Out of the Park baseball series for how to do a stats-heavy sports game.

Just some random thoughts to ponder while we wait for more announcements.  

mahus said:

Where is NHL for Wii? After PES on Wii, I've been waiting for the same concept for a Wii hockey game.