Welcome to Peter Moore's Official Blog

fk915 said:

Hay Peter ... thanks for the update ... What about EA Cricket ?? are you planning to release PC version of Cricket 09 ???

Bekka! said:

Peter! It's Bekka! I was going through random websites and found that you had a blog. How have you been? And you should come and visit us soon, even though I am in South Africa. Tell the family I said hi and give Toni a hug for me!

the zo-han said:

Hello Peter and company, I, like most people, have used this forum to express my negative views regarding the current direction of EA's games.  Although I feel that your response to the "heat" as you put it and subsequent response (listing EA's awards), was a cop out I'm not going to bash you for it.  I just hope that you are truly taking into account the requests and opinions of the people who take the time to respond to your blogs.  I personally like to focus my attention on Madden.  I feel your Madden title was the game that put EA's sport on the gaming map.  From my standpoint Madden has taken a turn for the worse since the Next Gen gaming systems were introduced.  Madden 04 marked the peak of EA's gaming potential because the game play was so fluid and the detail put into the players and game as a whole were right on the money.  In my humble estimation, the last three Madden release have been lackluster to say the least despite what the gaming awards might indicate.  In essence Peter, you really need to blow us away with your Madden 2010 release because it seems that Madden 09 is simply a mirror image of your previous Next Gen installments with a few minimal tweaks here and there.  Although I'm simply just a peon and hold zero clout in the gaming community here is what I believe producers like Matt Reid need to do in order to make Madden 2010 the greatest Madden instatement to date and put EA back on top of the gaming industry..  First and foremost, I believe that the makers of Madden must offer some new uniform/character options for the current player models that exist.  Looking around the league it is obvious that not every player wears Reebok cleats.  I feel it would be instrumental for the developers of Madden to offer a wider variety of cleats styles.  I realize that shoe and licensing contracts play a major role in EA's decision to stick with a single brand and design of cleat but I believe that offering the gamer a greater cleat selection, ala NBA Live and FIFA soccer, would add to the graphical superiority that Madden aspires to achieve year in and year out.  I also feel that the gamer should be able to adorn their players with towels (preferably with QB towels being worn flat and in the front of the uniform like Tom Brady and position players given the option of wearing their towel on either hip) and also be able to individualize to some degree the signature style that each player in the NFL brings to the standard NFL uniform and the game as a whole.  Examples of the way  players express their individuality on the field include their differing sock styles (Ex; Terrence Newman high socks, Deangelo Hall's 3/4 crinkled sock look, Peyton Manning's old school style, Jeremy Shockey's short sock look) skull caps worn under the helmet like Ray Lewis, running styles (for instance Reggie Bush has a sprinters running style while Marvin Harrison runs with a stiff upper torso and almost pitter patters with his feet), and the various ways players tend to carry the ball (example; Dre' Bly/Charles Woodson's respective one handed ball grip and the maneuvering of the ball from side to side while holding the ball with both hands similar to the flare that Deion Sanders brought to the game).  Also, the tape jobs currently seen in Madden also need to be upgraded.  The player models currently in Madden 09 look like they have uggs on their feet rather then tape.  Please resort back to the more realistic tape jobs that were seen in Madden 03 & 04.  Another aspect that can be improved upon is the stances that player around the league have come to be recognized by.  A prime example of this would be Simeon Rice's pre-snap sprinter stance, Champ Bailey's widespread 5 yard cushion coverage stance, D'Angelo Hall's in your face bump and run stance, or Lawrence Taylor's vertical stance.  Another aspect I would hope the makers of Madden improve upon is the ability to control a players actions during the week leading up to a game.  Being able to control a player's film study sessions as well as their eating habits and weight lifting/workout routines and their overall dedication to the game as a whole would offer a realistic touch to an already good game.  Hopefully this particular response doesn't fall upon deaf ears because I feel that some of these changes would make Madden more appealing to the general masses.  Let's face it, Madden is going to sell no matter what but making a few minor adjustments here and there could always help..Thank You for your time and please take my advice into consideration.

P.S.: I have provided a variety of pictures of NFL superstars in an effort to give the producers of Madden 2010 concrete examples of how the player models the Madden 2010 installment should look.  When viewing these pictures please take special note of the various sock styles, cleat brands, tape jobs, towels, unbuckled chin straps, and signature fashion style of each player and also take note of flare certain players display when carrying the football.

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Loather said:

Thanks for at least still considering a comeback and trying to figure out something.  I burns my rear that you wave that frigging exclusive contract like a banner yet do nothing for our platform.  Again Peter if you don't love us, let us go.

"PORT",  "PORT",  "PORT"...Peter.  As a developer, try to learn this word.  PC gamers are not looking for anything special in the design.  We are looking for the same thing.  Other companies have figured this out.  I am sure you have a guy you know at Activision or BethSoft whose brain you can pick.  They got it down.  Maybe someone back at Microsoft can drop some advice on the cross platform subject.  Wink, Wink.

Here is an idea Peter that many companies are using now.  "Community Advocates".  PC guys you do not have to pay that can weigh in and help steer you towards what we want to see on our platform and in our games.  

Peter the answers are out there and if you just open yours eyes they will reveal themselves.  Investigate.  Question yourselves, "why can Company A do it but we cannot."

Former EA Supporter said:

Peter,

Thank you for the acknowledgement of us PC er's. It's a good start and hopefully will lead to more and better communcations down the road.

PCrules!! said:

PORT ! PORT! PORT!!   I think he is starting to hear US. I'm not buying an xbox or a ps3 or any other platform. IF i can't play it on my pc it's not for me.  Madden 09 for PC!!!!!!! PCrules.

Former EA Supporter said:

Loather,

Very good points! Maybe talking to others will be part of the "re-defining" Peter spoke of. Your "Community Advocates" suggestion is an excellent one. What do you think about taking it a step further and include Beta Testing, if you have not already done so? I can see many positives coming from this. Let's hope they will consider it and find those answers you speak of.

Andreas Dahl said:

By "serious business challenges", I take it you mean that it doesn't make enough money because not enough people are buying them?

With that in mind, do you honestly feel that you are putting out products that are worth spending a lot of money on in the first place?

Because it seems like all of your long-running series has reached their maximum potential as a PS2-port (Using the "old gen" technology) years ago, and are simply just getting some "flashy" new feature to lure some first-time buyers into giving you a few bucks..

So, as several people has already mentioned, PORT the next-gen games for goodness sake.

The next-gen games are where 99% of your effort and interest is in these days anyways. So how do you expect getting people excited about a product that you yourself barely spend any money and effort on.

Just look at how many other companies are able to put out amazing "next-gen" games (even better ones) for PC's. You should ask yourself, why not us? Why not EA Sports?

Anyways. I'm not saying that you shouldn't abandon the "old-gen" consoles, because, quite frankly, you should. That's only natural.

But what I am saying is that you shouldn't look upon the PC market in the same way. When it is in fact holds much higher potential than any other.

J0nnyNapalm said:

The least you could so this year for us PC users is release a roster update for Madden 08 that uses the Madden 09 rosters.  Thats all you normally do anyways but you charge us $50 for it.  So why not this year?  Hell, if you give me the info and programs I'll make the patch...

This is about the only way you can attempt to save what little fan base you have left, we PC users haven't been very happy with EA for a while now, but we continue to line your pockets with our hard earned money...the least you could do is release the patch...

And why would you still make the NHL game for PC when it SUCKS!!!  Atleast Madden was good.  It doesnt make any sence to me, port crap and cut the good?  Your just nailing your own coffin shut...

ray said:

My only complaint with you dumping Madden on the PC is that I am not a Console Gamer. I have tried sports games on the console but the freezing and arcade gameplay is a waste. I have bought Madden on the PC since its existence and now the only way I can play a LIcensed NFL game is to buy a 360 or PS3..no way..Maybe another PC developer can make a good NFL game for the PC, but since you own the rights, nobody can. If you have no intention on making Madden next year for the PC, please drop the exclusive rights.

Why would you release the NHL series on the PC?? Are you saying that it makes money becuase I used to buy that game regularly but the last few years have been horrid. If you release NHL on PC can you at least bring back a Fantasy Draft option for Dynasty.

While it took awhile and in my opinion did not clear up much, thanks for at least commenting on PC games.

HenryH said:

Those challenges are because of the INFERIOR ports on the PC. Even with piracy, they wouldn't exist if you delivered an equal experience to the sports titles on consoles. When you use terrible graphics on the PC version of a beautiful looking game on a 360 people are going to go for the console version of the game. When you give PC gamers an equal experience, they will buy the product. It's simple.

I'm not personally affected as I have both current-gen consoles but I can understand why your PC versions don't sell when I go to Gamespot and read a hundred user review, people complaining about the graphical AND gameplay differences on the PC. They say the games are simply roster updates and nothing more. I don't think the pirates are even playing those games, to be honest.

Simply put, good games sell on PC. Look at Valve. :)

HenryH said:

Peter, I hope that instead of looking at numbers and figuring out what sold and what didn't, you actually looked AT the PC version of the game and saw WHY it didn't sell. FIFA will always sell because of how big the lovely sport is worldwide, but it was also dumbed down on the PC.

Work on the quality and the games will sell....

fk915 said:

Hi Mr. Peter

I have been reading all your posts. Not even a single time you mention about EA Cricket and EA Rugby in it. Sometimes it makes me think are these titles really from EA Sports? Whenever I start these games first thing that I see is "EA Sports: its in the game" logo.

So they are made by EA Sports but for some reason you dont bother to mention about it. In your blog you mention about FIFA, NBA live, NHL, Madden NFL, PGA, Nascar, even you mention about FIFA street, NBA street, NFL tours, Fight Nights but you just dont say any single word about EA Cricket and EA Rugby.

I wonder if its done deliberately. You are just ignoring these titles. As a customer, as a fan of EA Cricket and EA Rugby I think you own me an explanation. Please clarify if this blog is only for North American gamers but then again EA Rugby is sold in North America so it doesn’t make sense.

May be its your marketing strategy but not talking about these games won help to boost the sales of these games. If EA Sports has decided to abandon these games then also you should mention that in your blog, that for financial or some other reason you cant continue these series.

Trust me there are plenty of game companies who will happily make Cricket or Rugby game. These games are popular in Europe and Asia. You are from Europe who else will know better about popularity of Rugby in Europe. Cricket has its popularity in certain territories. The games get No.1 slot in England, Australia, South Africa and its really popular in India.

There is no comparison between FIFA ,Madden or NBA series with Cricket or Rugby when it comes to sales. I am not saying that. And you also know that a title shouldn’t be abundant just because it sales is less then the other titles instead you should be looking to enhance the sales by raising the standard of these games. I mean you cant take Madden to Europe and expect people to play and sell more copies then FIFA or Rugby or Cricket.  There are gamers in Europe who love Madden but if you make a decent Rugby or Cricket game that will outsell Madden in England.

If you read these posts as you said you do then you should explain in your next blogs about what’s going on in EA Cricket and EA Rugby?

You mentioned you been to EA Canada recently and I believe both of these games are made by EA Canada so I believe you should have some latest news for us about these two games. Next time please just dont mention abut NHL,NBA,NFL,Nascar,FN,PGA but also mention about Rugby and Cricket.

Cheers

Stephen said:

So Peter, what about 2K Sports announcing NHL 2K9 as the "first and only" NHL game for the Wii shipping this fall? Am I really taking my $50 elsewhere?

Mark228 said:

 I think we all want to help make the games better. All of us hardcore gamers build our own machines invest thousands of dollars for the purpose of playing the games we love.We expect the same treatment as the console player gets. I feel that all of your titles should be released on all platforms (xbox ps3 pc etc.)   Thanks.  

Harald said:

3 games are better than nothing. But I've read on some Fanpages, Fifa 09 is still the PS2 Engine, so no option for me.

So only 2 games left.

And if nhl is not next gen for pc, there is only ONE game left.

This is very disappointing!

Common Sense said:

Some of you just don't get it.

Even when PC games from EA were on their priority list and of the same quality as their console counterparts...sales did not follow suit.

Some of seem to think that if they invested heavily into PC that magically the sales would flood in. But that just id not the case. PC gaming is still healthy in the US, sure (someone mentioned Valve) but for SPORTS games the market demand is just not there regardless of how good the games are. Which is why EA is no longer investing in it and it is why competitors like 2K never have (personally i would have loved an MLB game for PC). Hopefully it all changes someday soon...but dont blame EA for not investing money to please you if they dont make a profit.

It is not a coincidence that the only PC Sports games that are being released are ones that appeal internationally because outside of the US, PC Sports gaming is pretty healthy. Therefore FIFA and NHL get the PC versions. But the US-based sports that have little to no international appeal (NFL, NBA) do not belong on PC from a business standpoint as Peter has made clear in this latest post. IF anything I would expect Tiger to come back next.

However- I do agree with the one poster who said that EA could at least release a roster update patch (with rookies of course) for the 08 owners.

PCrules!! said:

I guess we will find out if Mr. Moore is a man of his word. , "We have no intention to abandon the PC as a sports gaming platform". You have already adandon us. Only two games for the pc platform. We want Madden,NHL,Fifa.Tiger Woods,Nascar, Show us some loyality and at least give us a roster update for madden09 while we wait for EA to reinvigorise our platform. Also NHL08 wasn't much of a good game in my opinon, however MVP Baseball 2005 great game still playing it today.Let us help you to do it right. PCrules

Former EA Supporter said:

Common Sense,

Good points!

I always wondered when the PC and console games were of the same quality and PC game sales didn't follow suit, no disrespect to their R&D, did EA play the blame game or did they try to find out why the sales were low? If a product wasn't selling I'm sure you'd would like to know why. If it was the game what was it about the game? From what I've read in their forums many complaints were about feeling ignored by EA (true or false)when asked a question or offering suggestions. And another was about purchasing games released year after year that were not considered significant improvements (the term glorified roster updates was used). Console owners had similar complaints as well. If someone felt that there was no effort by EA (true or false) then they felt that it wasn't worth their money to purchase the game.  I think that this may have been part of the reason why PC game sales have been what they were. I'm sure there are other reasons as well.

I agree with you I think TIger has a good chance of coming back as well. Here's hoping that US based PC sports (NFL, NBA, etc) has a reimergnce. Madden too!

Peter has said: We continue to explore new ideas for reinvigorating the PC platform for sports.  

This is good. Maybe one of those ideas would be to work with the PC fanbase that you have at EA. Also as suggested in another post "Community Advocates". While you don't have to ask every little question the input that you get could be helpful in determining what would help reinvigorate the game. Best of all  it wouldn't cost you any money. I'm sure if you asked you would get some volunteers.

We're open to new and unique ideas Peter. Can we ask the same of you?

I too would like to see a roster update for Madden 08 pc. I've heard on the forums that one is being worked on but there was no word of when it would be relieased.

Symo said:

Hi Peter,

Could you please provide an update for Cricket 09 and Rugby 09 for us gamers who live in Australia and Asis pacific region. Thanks

7 said:

mr moore i think your full of it. we can all agree that madden is the best selling game in the world so if its the best selling game in the world why would you not make it for pc but say you as a company will still make nhl 09 and fifa for pc i got your anser for you its called europe and we all know the euro dollar is priceless right now and the american dollar not so good your trying to make the europeans happy cause soccer and hockey are really big but your say screw us. your an a-hole.

you could have at least given us nfl head coach for pc since its a sim game till you fig out how to make pc sports games prophitable for you.  

Robert Williams said:

I just find it hard to believe that the MOBILE Phone and PSP versions of Madden outsell PC...just my humble opinion.

Loather said:

While there may not be a whole ton of point to massive engineering for the PC alone, the fact remains that massive engineering is not needed.  When porting a game there is not massive redesign needed.  The porting is not needed to be reverse engineered for every single title.  Once the method is known it can be repeated fairly easy.  There are a huge number of companies that are engaging in this and it does not take a huge investment.  

More investment is needed to give us our own product but we are not asking for it.  We are asking for a port of the Next-Gen stuff.  We want the same thing.

The only investment needed is to bring a handfull of people over that understand this method.  Maybe a creative guy from Activision, Microsoft or BethSoft.

Imagine the kudos EA would recieve for implementing cross platform.  There must be some at Moores old stomping yard that could help since the XBOX 360 crowd would benefit too.

Common Sense said:

Loather,

What about distribution investments? Because those are very significant costs as well.

It is not just development...not by a long shot.

bacardigold said:

well at least thanks for adding commentary to madden 09 but tom hammond needs to go bye bye

he sounds stiff or dead and not in sync with the way the plays are about to unfold, on the other hand cris collingsworth is a keeper

unit1102 said:

"7 said:

mr moore i think your full of it. we can all agree that madden is the best selling game in the world so if its the best selling game in the world why would you not make it for pc but say you as a company will still make nhl 09 and fifa for pc i got your anser for you its called europe and we all know the euro dollar is priceless right now and the american dollar not so good your trying to make the europeans happy cause soccer and hockey are really big but your say screw us. your an a-hole.

you could have at least given us nfl head coach for pc since its a sim game till you fig out how to make pc sports games prophitable for you. "

Dude, seriously?! Madden is NOT the biggest selling game in the world - think Halo 3, CoD4. Hell, even Halflife!

Peter is not aiming this personally at PC gamers, he is doing this from a business point of view. If you were selling an item that was losing you money (or even not making a tidy enough profit to continue making it) would YOU continue to make it?! I doubt you would.

I do agree that a port could be the way to go, but EA are releasing so many games this year that maybe the time and effort is being spent elsewhere, you can't blame them, they are a profit building business at the end of the day?

As a fellow PC gamer myself (though I do have a 360 as well), I am disappointed that TW 09 won't be released. But then again, for the same price I can get it on the 360 (albeit, with worse controls) and still enjoy it.

Though one question to Peter - Is Head Coach being released in the UK at the same time as Madden, or are we not getting it at all? Only reason I ask is that I have Madden pre-ordered for the 360 and I wanna know how much money I need lol!!!

Cheers guys

Former EA Supporter said:

Common Sense,

While I do not know the actual costs involved in distribution, how much do you think it would reduce those costs if the game were available as a download instead of creating it and shipiing on cd/dvd?

EA could make it so that the game would need an activation code to work and only work on the machine it is installed on. I've seen many companies do this and offer a backup cd/dvd for a small fee. EA could still make some investment off it. EA gets it price for the full game and some extra for those that want backups and they only have produce them as needed.  

Peter, Do you see this as a viable option for any of your future pc game related sales?

Loather, said:

@ Common Sense

If the delivery costs for a PC game far exceed that of any other platform, EA is doing something wrong.  Plus, EA/EA Sports has this wonderful tool called the EA Downloader aimed at digitally delivering the game to PC users via the net.  I know I have bought successfully from there a time or two.  I also know that many titles install it automatically.  This method has been huge for many companies world wide.  MMOs have been making it a staple delivery method in the market but I have found myself purchasing a couple FPS and a racing game via this method.  Works great.    

Seems like at first you were arguing on developing costs and now when I point out it can be done "relatively" low budget, there has to be something else.  Now that I have pointed out that EA/EASports already have a underlying low cost delivery method what will it be?  Advertising?  That image at the bottom of every add that lists the platform must cost about $1.25 in man hours for the whole add.  Wallet breaker.  Just like a team losing badly, start blaming the refs.

Oh wait...piracy...before anyone throws that out there, who has not heard of a mod chip.  Everyone I know has their consoles modded so they caan rent games, burn them and have them for $3.00 a pop.  Piracy is not just there on PC so that argument is seriously flawed.

I am starting to think you are Moore in disguise.

Jeff said:

Why make a PC version of NHL if you're not even going to bother offering a roster update ? like you did for NHL 08....

Tony said:

The last Cricket game by EA was Cricket 07. I would certainly like to know when the next Cricket is coming.

Common Sense said:

To Loather:

Yup. Its Peter in disguise. You got me. Hear me roar: rawrrrrrr.

Really though:

first i never mentioned i was defending development costs only. i always refer to costs as entire costs and my whole point is that all costs > sales revenue = loss.  Please refer to Unit's post.

As far as downloads-only...that depends. From my experience in retail: major manufacturer's have relationships with retailers that could be costly to throw a wrench in. Its tough to say without any confidential information.

But i think it is good for Peter and EA to make a decision: either fully commit to PC and put out quality products to please to quality-stingy PC market (and lose money) or just cut losses and revisit the PC market regularly before re-entering.

Its all good business.

7 said:

unit1102

out of the three you mentioned how many of them have an actual game show made for them um that would be zero. lol madden has sold more copys than all three of those games you mentioned all together and they have a tv series based on the game if it were not for madden you wouldnt be playing any ea games because im pretty sure road rash did not put them on the map.

can you tell me what logical sence it makes to make nhl and fifa for pc but not madden for pc  its to apease the europians like i said. surly not for us americans we could care less for fifa its to arcadish and watered down graphics as for the nhl on pc its sucked for yrs. the commentary is horrid the graphics stink and the game play is just as bad. the only reason the games sells world wide like they do is because you can mod the hell out of it with cyber faces uniforms stadiums or arena otherwise the fan sites would not be as rampant as they are. its sure not for the quality of the product because there the same game every yr based on dx8 graphics and shader models any pc can run them.  

now if they actually make them next gen congrats i will get excited for the future but if there the same lol they will see the same results the pc gamer is alot smarter than the average bear whos web sites do you think they browse to get ideas that would be the pc community and they dump them into next gen every year. we as a hole demand quality the  kiddy consell gamer just wants to pop it in and pretend there the worlds greatest player as they cheese on ea servers we stride for realisim and quality i have 5 grand in my pc and my video card alone cost my 600 dollars all built by me yes i have a ps3 and xbox 360 elite but to tell you the truth i love my pc for one i can play it for days and not turn it off if you attempt it you will get the red ring of death having to buy another system. the who next gen systems are poorly designed why would you put a 256mb vid processor in a next gen then make new ones with 65nm falcon boards for heat issues and not give 512 mb when if you know anything about systems its really cheap to go to 512 since your trying to render next gen on 256mb it really hard to acheave your goals of graphics and game frame rate.

this company makes and tests the next gen games on a pc so for me to swallow that its costley is crazy they could release them after 1-2 months i personally dont mind to wait. if they can get bioshock and gears of war to run great on pc they can make there next gen sports games.

seriosly if they are not going to develope it please let a third party run with it then you can make money for letting others make them and monitor the sales costs you nothing cause you making money for letting others preduce quality games and yes there out there even nascar 2003 season by seira is far better than any nascar game ea made the physx for damage is realistic  5 yr old game is still a better sim. as for the nascar game that they make on next gen it going to continue to not do that great untill you can add commentary otherwise its boring  

Zee said:

Peter

Just wanted to say thanks for coming back to us with regard to the PC games issue and lack of TW09 for the PC.

There are two main website communities that will be keeping this game alive and kicking whilst EA consider their future plans for the game on the PC platform. One is Coursedownloads.com the other is PGAX.net.

Whilst the EA jury is out, why not get a few of your guys to pop into PGAX and take on the best of the rest in our weekly online tour that mirrors the real US PGA tour, playing at the same courses we see on TV each week. (Which we as a team, recreate)

Bring your "A" game though, we take no prisoners by playing at Expert level and only play very dry greens!

Hope you guys can visit us and rest assured, we will still be here when you guys do indeed bring out a future version of this great game.

Thanks again, your response is much appreciated.

Regards

Zee

http://www.pgax.net

JB (jbcalg) TWC said:

disappointing to officially hear, but not terribly surprising either

The long standing TW-PC communities will continue to do what they've done since EA stopped involving the player community in the development of the series (circa TW06)

- find ways to bring an enjoyable playing experience with custom course designs, tours, and technical support

-  and the opportunity to interract online with a broad range of PC enthusiasts

since community is inclusive, not exclusive .... here's a few more 'main sites'

Not every site offers what others do, but we're all part of the TW-PC experience

TigerWoodsCommunity.net

EsportsGolf.comt

TWTHQ.com

WorldFriendsGolf.com

dresi said:

You are so kind, that you are releasing Fifa on PC with great five years old graphic engine. Tell me, when you will finally do something good for PC sports. I want same graphics like on X360 and PS3. It's just ridiculous, that Madden on Wii looking better then on PC...

B said:

Bring back a fully updated Tiger Woods for 09.  I read a preview of this game for the 360 and PC gamers would drool over this level of gameplay for Tiger on the PC.  

Maybe this will inspire some other publishers to get involved.  I would like to see titles like Jack Nicklaus Golf return and also Links come back as well.  Links was the most in-depth game of its time and I wouldn't mind see it take up the sales that EA is going to miss out on.

zee said:

It was remiss of me to exclude some of the other sites in my earlier post and I therefore apologise to the guys running them. I was just emphasising the sites which are turning out most of the new designs for this game. No offence meant.

SIR PUTTERMAN said:

The best thing EA could do to  re-energize  the TW game is to bring out a new course design tool the course  architect or CA  while it was a good tool for its time needs to be revamped.  

a few suggestion on what I mean is  the ability to overlap textures the difference this would make in the  creation of more realistic course  would be outstanding!.

If it was not  for the custom courses  that have been created  by  some great designers  than this game would have died  long ago, I mean who wants to play the same old courses over and over  again?

I know this may be a sore point with  EA as they are thinking  how does this  make more  money for us?(Let's face it boys and girls its all about the  bling) Well if indeed you came out  with a  new and more powerful designing tool you could sell it as an add on.

Hmm pay  $50.00  and play the same old  courses  or  buy an add on  for  say $30.00  and  get to design  and play some fantastic courses.

Maybe run this by  the bean counters and see how much extra loot that would add to the  coffers you may be pleasantly  surprised .

Dolous07 said:

As a manager how could you have felt good about the release of Madden 08.  It took only a matter of weeks for us to find out that many things didn't work.  It is your job to ask the hard questions.  I know what your thinking, who are you to ask this.  I'm a manager and I control and am responsible for everything that happens in my building.  Madden 08 was just bad we've seen some info that says you guys are fixing it, but the things you've added did not add to the game play of tyour core customers.  Backtrax/mulligan, adapting to my play, those are for attracting new customers, if you don't take care of the customers you have then your going to be in big trouble.  Young kids are not playing Madden, a football game is much more indepth than a basketball or baseball.  Your cleints are older who demand content, not just more flashy nonsense.  You have put all this energy into head coach, yet you still will not give us the owner mode/ franchise that we had in previous gen.  Do I think you'll lose money by contuing to put out a Madden game that is sub par, no.  I hope that as leader, a developer your pride alone will not let this continue.  We want a great game that works.  What game do you play?

Smiller said:

The thing I don't get is that I heard it is really easy to port games nowadays, especially with games from X360.  hence the port for Devil May Cry 4.  We PC gamers do not mind if a game comes out later then the console versions, just as long as it is a good port and actually taken care of. Programming the game should be a lot easier simply because of the fact that X360 is basically a computer and allows for a fast port rate.  

As I have seen in the previews of things to come, Madden 09 looks like a game I would really like to play, it finally has next gen graphics, it seems like it has a lot more fluid game play than before, and not just the same graphics engine year after year.  How can you deny people who have put a lot of money into their computers for the sole purpose of playing games, simply because they do not own a next gen console?  Sorry but I don't have enough money to go out and buy one just so I can play Madden.  I have bought the last two Madden series for the PC.  You say, its more enjoyable from a distance and on the couch with buddies.  Why can I not hook up two controllers to my PC and play with my buddy or what about the online element?  PC games are meant to be played online, consoles didnt even come with that capability until waaay after PC had this.  

So, what do I say?  Thanks for denying me of the next gen experience of Madden 09?  Cuz I will not be buying a console just to play this.  But I do love the madden series.  I say figure out a way to satisfy everyone, not just yourself. .  

rich meehan said:

Peter,

Please send a check for the approximately $1000 I wasted on your franchise, I'd give it all back for the PC version of the game I have faithfully plucked down my hard earned cash for over the last twenty years.  It's a slap in the face to not produce a pc version of the 20th anniversary edition, i can promise you I will not be supporting any of the EA platforms going forward, as you have abandoned me.

Have fun stealing candy from babies and kicking stray dogs on your way to the crapper to read your financial reports, hope your mom has power of attorney your heartless, soulless, poor excuse for a man.  I bet you a freaking Mac guy, aren't ya?

real gamer said:

i have been a ea sport pc fan for over the past 15 years loyally buying every thing from madden to nba live "EA CRICKET 07" you name it. but now  all i can say is you finally did it . i am finished with you guys.  the only game that is worth getting on from there company is madden ,why because of the license rights thing.  from now on i will be switching  to 2k sports because there games are better anyways

hopefully 2k sports can see this as an opportunity to expand there platform to the pc,with the likes of nba  2k9 ( on my wish list ). i mean the profits made could be enormous why, because all the  real loyal ea sport pc gamers left to the dust by ea will switch to 2k sports , i was even a little guilty this past year for not buying fifa 08 and buying pro evolution soccer instead but now i feel no remorse.

in the long run you guys will regret this  for not pleasing your long time fans, only pleasing these  lame rookie gamers who are fascinated with hd quality instead of gameplay. ha ha  its happening already has numerous online petitions are being signed as we speak to stop supporting ea sports period . wonder how that will affect your sales this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2KSPORTS RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nicolai Czempin said:

Wow, I have just read in a German magazine (PC Games) how John Riccitello was aw, so self-critical, saying things like "we are boring people to death", " we had a big role in getting overtaken studios to fail". Perhaps those comments were made after the Madden 09 PC comedy of errors.

Yes, the PC is a much more difficult platform than the consoles. Getting lots of revenue by monopolistic principles (such as exclusive licenses, how land-of-the-free is that?) will make you complacent, however, and it seems that this has been the case, Why improve the products when they are flying off the shelves anyway?

It is very dangerous IMHO to treat the "hardcore" fans like this, it's a total PR disaster. Just to leave out the PC platform in the press release, without even addressing the drop of the PC version, less than six months before the release date, is really amateurish.

It is amazing how many people wrote just in the blog how long they've played EA games, in particular Madden, and how they not only will not buy a console or not buy _any_ EA games for one, but they want to stop buying EA games altogether. I'm fairly sure that those numbers will not show up immediately in sales. However, many of those hard-core fans are opinion leaders, and in the long run EA will suffer dearly in image. Actually it has already suffered a great deal, and the complacency has started to bite them back. EA is no longer #1; they tried desparately to buy out Take 2 for the juicy GTA franchise, but guess what, the company's image was also a factor in why the deal was rejected.

Nobody is saying that you (or EA) should cater _only_ to the hardcore gamers, that is probably not a profitable strategy. But to slap them in the face like it has been done here seems to contradict the apparent light at the end of the tunnel that got EA realizing that a lot of mistakes were made.

I am happy that I sold my EA shares back when it was still a convincing company.

On more technical things:

It is really hard for me to believe that this get-rid-of-Madden-for-PC was a really well-deliberated maneuver, like Peter Moore is trying to convey. It really smells of desparation and chaos. It is technically very possible to write a game engine that is portable across platforms including the PC, not the smallest reason being that the XBOX is based on DirectX (and if you can support the PS3 and the XBox 360 and the DS from the same code base, it is much easier to also include the PC). Of course for the PC you have the biggest problem that you have to support a variety of different hardware setups, and an XBOX is an XBOX, or a PS3 is a PS3, so the developers can make many assumptions that are more complicated on the PC. However, with all the advances in Operating Systems, these differences are becoming smaller and smaller.

Actually it would be hard for a new title to support numerous platforms, but for franchise titles like the EA Sports titles, it would be ridiculous if there weren't already many many mechanisms in place for cross-platform support.

One last thing:

Not allowing any competitor to make an NFL-licensed game, and then not offering your own (worse, actually pulling out one that was in progress), really makes you look extremely extremely bad.

EA, it seemed to be dawning to some of your senior officers that you really have fumbled in the past. If you want to grab that loose ball, you'd better start getting more open, and not feed us PR euphemisms about "difficult PC market". You are losing, nay have lost, your edge, and are going downhill fast. Decision such as the Madden 09 PC axe show that you obviously haven't yet understood where the real problem lies.

Try getting back to the fundamentals, you have become fat and lazy.

Nicolai Czempin said:

just one more comment (sorry :-), food for thought:

Do you really want people to buy your games because the competition has been crushed with exclusive licenses, or because your games are the BEST?

Your actions seem to show that you don't really care.

modman said:

ea sports suck period . i jumped off the bandwagon for a while now. am not sure but i think 2ksports are owned by ea so it does not make a difference going to them. hopefully a unofficial group can come up with games to please us PC gamers . if not i will just continue to stick with the fighting games like medal of honor and crysis.... it so funny they are even trying to monopolize gta4 to buy them out . hope rockstar games refuses because then we all will be DOOMED

Dolous07 said:

We are talking to the wrong guys. Phil and those guys are just doing their job. We need to be pounding on the guys who make decisions. The link below is to Peter Moore's blog he is the President of EA Sports. He was appointed in September of 07. He is the guy we need to send thousands of post with our great ideas for the game we want. We start at the top that will get some attention. Evidently he was appointed to change the culture at EA sports. 09 seems to be headed in the right direction. It is Peter Moore we need to hold accountable for what happens. Everyone lets flood his blog and get the attention that Madden deserves. He's on the EA sports home page.

Mr. Moore we expect moore than what EA has delivered since the start of the next gen consoles. I have said that there needs to be the right leadership to get Madden next gen up to par with its past. I hope that you come to fully understand the passion we have for this game. Some of us will not hold back, its because we love it. Are you going to lead this group or will there be another appointment in EA Sports future?????

http://itsinthegame. ea.com

Larry said:

Peter peter peter,

I feel so bad that TW 09  is the end of PC gaming for EA.

Now that - THAT is out of the way - can you rcomend a good golf gameing company with online play for the PC?

The reason I am asking is because I will never again buy an EA product>

AshleyMarie said:

Ok here it is.......Very upset you have decided to take away TW from the PC. I play this game daily yes there are some issues in the game but none that we can not over come.I think with the advertising that is being posted on the courses including canadian advertising this would help offset some of the costs. This is one game that all ages can play and I have met some very nice people in their late 70's who injoy the interaction it gives them each and every day.

Can everyone play Xbox don't think so or the wii or the ps3 but even those with handicaps can and do play the PC games .......oh but dont give any thought to those people after all just take care of the kids who play with the over rated Xbox etc.

If tw goes away I also will not be buying any more EA products as this is starting to appear to me like its a company who cares not for the people who have spent many hours playing tigerwoods and for many years and true enough we are not the 16year olds but none the less the age group that has the money to purchase the game and the brains to play it respectable with others on line.

It has been put to twcommunity to set up a web site that we can continue to play this game and interact I hope they are able to do this .

Who knows someone there with all the great designers and talented people maybe they will design games of their own we can purchase and become your competor. A shame it is coming to this type of end and yet still no word as to how long the servers will remain up for us to play.

Charlie said:

As a PC gamer and avid basketball fan, I must say that even after 2 lackluster products in NBA live 07 and 08, I was still very much excited about the prospects for NBA live 09...

I've been hoping for as long as the next Gen consoles have been out that someday the PC NBA live game would be given that kind of treatment. Looks like the wait will be even longer now...

The News that NBA live 09 will not be coming out for the PC hurts a lot. Thats will be 3 years now, without a good basketball game for PC...

(sigh)....

(leaves)

Brian Harvey said:

Mr. Moore, thanks for your time. I have a question about Fifa Manager. Once upon a time it was "fused" to the Fifa title. Will this ever happen again? Will FM be on the 360 and be available stateside? I know that Fifa isn't nearly as marketable a title here across the pond from Europe. But it would be nice to be able to possibly order a NTSC version for the consoles from at least the EA store. Oh yeah, Glory Glory Man United!

theeseguysrgood said:

i started playing thing this game in 2002, ihave2008

, i haveve bought my son and daughter many EA Sprorts game?

they may not play on line but at 50 to 60 $ a pop bekind we need my son owns no tiger woods games but many other titles@50 60% of the games. TY THEESEGUYSRGOOD

theeseguysrgood said:

ty need message boards for clubs

theeseguysrgood said:

i have spent a lot!!! of money on ea sports rember wailli open???

theeseguysrgood said:

rember wailai nintendo 64

theeseguysrgood said:

not what i said

theeseguysrgood said:

u own it

Bob said:

Peter, your cop out this year by not providing TW09 for the PC is inexcusable. The only reason you guys probably decided to go console only, is because for the past 2 years each version on the PC has sucked ass. You never fixed any of the bugs from the 07 version, you failed to provide a course architect (again!) and we were stuck listening to the same lame ass commentary from the 05 version. I've grown tired of hearing them talk about my pants for 4 years. You are going to lose out on a very large market because of your incompetence, lack of originality and improper planning. But then again that seems to be the golden standard at EA; don't plan, rush the product, issue a patch to fix major bugs, don't fix the rest, then rinse and repeat for the next cycle. In the end all you have is a big pile of ***. EA has destroyed one of the better franchises they had in shooters, that being Medal of Honor. You followed the same cycle I listed above and you bombed big time with Airborne, mainly because EA, like idiots, forgot to include large multiplayer support. Whatever rep you had with that game has been trashed. You constantly seem to *** up Madden, but have made great strides in NCAA Football over the last 3 years. All EA has done thus far with their exclusive NFL contract is piss all over it. In contrast, look at what Take2 has done with their license for MLB. They have produced a far better game than MVP ever was and probably ever will be should it come back. You had a good thing going with MVP College Baseball, but you never put in the effort to develop it. Speaking of Take2, I think EA's bid at a hostile takeover is deplorable. Trying to get rid of the only quality competition in the basketball market (Frankly the 2K series eats March Madness for lunch) while trying to get the exclusive rights to MLB back under your brand and eliminate any future competition in the football market. Speaking of basketball, you guys could learn some lessons from Take2, sans the takeover. They have fluid movement and controls, while March Madness is clunky and complex. 2K has better ball physics and allows for many more adjustments to be made without taking a timeout. March Madness has the college atmosphere and better off season recruiting, but lacks everything else. You need to do with March Madness what you did to NCAA 09. Make it indepth off the court, dynamic and fluid in the arena/on the court and interesting during the offseason.

That's about all I really have to say. I think your choice to pull sports titles from the PC market this year is lame, just like your company is turning out to be. I guarantee you though, I will indeed make sure that your decision about this matter is known in the coming weeks in the national press and you can *** well guarantee I will make you answer for your choice. I will do everything within my power to make sure the gaming public as well as the general public knows about this so they may provide ample response to your incompetent decision.

hobbfather said:

I think at this point you owe the community these games on the PC regardless if you make profit or not. We all know this will not hurt you, it's not like EA is broke. We have given you so much money I think it is greedy to cancel titles just because you don't think your profit margin will be high enough. However you still plan to ship FIFA and NHL for the pc which is unfortunate for me as these are the only two titles I do not play and I do not and will not play consoles! I am still playing nba 08, madden 08 and mlb 03 (I don't have 05) and looks like if I ever want to play sports games again thats what I will be stuck with. I also agree with the many others here that the extreme least you could do is offer updates for all the titles you will not be releasing, that would not be very hard or take much time at all. Overall I am ashamed of EA's actions and hope you realize what your doing to your fanbase.

Ray said:

Just played NHL 07 again just to re-fresh myself with the game...THere was a reason why I didnt want 08 and it was that 07 was a horrible game, and by all indications 08 was horrilbe. So why would you want to release it on the PC when PC games are losing you money??? I cannot see how NHL sells more copies than Madden, and financial issues were the reason for no Madden.

Im assuming you are releasing NHL on the PC because it costs you very little to because all you are going to do is re-package 08, or should I say 07, or even 06 with a Roster Update (sort of)  and claim its all nice and new!! Yeah Right.

If thats the case,,release Madden on the PC with the same "improvements".

Dont expect a response because I have yet to see EA respond to specific complaints, usually just an umbrellla answer.

0331marine said:

Dear Mr Moore

As much as I understand the argument of loss and profit in regards to a business, there is also the issue of brand image and consumer loyalty. I consider myself an old school gamer, remembering titles of EA back when you were very small and infact made what was considered good and orginal games, it is with sadness I now look upon EA and its portfolio of games, creativty and orginality seems now to have evaporated in the heated corperate enviorment that now prevails at EA. From a buisness point of view I understand the heavy invesment in the "cash cows", one only need to look to Hollywood to see the same phenomenon, What I would like to see are  some inovetive and daring games, Games not surefire to be a sucess, but games that can garner kudos for their orginality and inovative use of concepts. This can in turn garner new fans and customers.

The use of piracy as a problem in regards to PC gaming is IMHO a cop out, piracy isnt lost sales, simply becasue a pirate wouldnt have purchased the game in the first place, and second, many people who do download the game will infact purchase the game if it is good enough. So one could thereby postulate that if EA is being plauqed with piracy it may need to make their games better and improve their public image. The big corporation doesnt get as much sympathy as the small indy publisher do. If they can make money on small niche games what is then standing in EA's way of making money in the same marked space? I hope it isnt the profit margin.

pat said:

madden 08 sucked hopefully 09 is better

kurt enevoldsen said:

Hej Peter.

Im so sorry that we not get a tw09 for pc. I have been a great fan and playing tw since 1999.

Remember most of the folks who play tw are from 25-67 years old and they will not go out and get a playst/x-box- Hope you soon will come with a tiger woods PC game else many of your cuostermer will leave EA games and for me its a big mistake. Many folks spend a lot of time builting homepage  make tours and getting a lot of friends trough tw. so please  think once again and make MANY happy.

Best regards a old danish fool who LOVE golf.

Msee said:

While I am disappointed on one hand if EA takes two years and actually updates the engines on their PC games to match what they are doing on consoles I will be happy in the long haul. If they simply bow out of the PC market I guess other companies will suddenly have an opportunity to step in and fill the gap and hopefully surpass EA in terms of quality in their games.

Here is one question I do have though. Will EA stop the online services for these games or will they allow the current users to be able to play online until they come out with something new for the PC?

Serge Paradis said:

Please sign the petition about the Tiger Woods 2009 on PC version.

http://www.sitedefisgolf.com

Richard MADDEN PC GAMER said:

its quite simple Mr. Moore, no Madden for PC you lose my buisness for all EA sports titles, yeah its only a few hundred bucks but it will go to your rivals, 2K sports, SCE, Take 2, ETC.Bottom line is I played madden on the PC for ONLINE FRANCHISES which you dont/cant or havent implemented in a console. Madden was the single game holding me to be loyal to EA sports but since you turned your back on me as a PC gamer and consumer I turn mine on you.

Richard MADDEN PC GAMER said:

its quite simple Mr. Moore, no Madden for PC you lose my buisness for all EA sports titles, yeah its only a few hundred bucks but it will go to your rivals, 2K sports, SCE, Take 2, ETC.Bottom line is I played madden on the PC for ONLINE FRANCHISES which you dont/cant or havent implemented in a console. Madden was the single game holding me to be loyal to EA sports but since you turned your back on me as a PC gamer and consumer I turn mine on you.

Austin said:

EA Sports gets worse every year ... No 'Tiger Woods 2009 ' on the PC is the last straw for me.

the man said:

what a joke ea sucks and i will never buy a ps3 or xbox just to play madden mr moore you should be embersted bye what you have done reasling to crap games that no one even cares about doesnt make any since what so ever

Supreme said:

why no live for pc this that all i got is a pc i just got a logitech joystick to play the live 08 that i bought from bestbuy like christmas time.

i dont think its right  what about the people who play live at work, in the office on the pc,

what about us plz this is not right

superstar911 said:

hey peter, please do tell more about the buisness challenges. The fact that ea keeps putting out bull crap on pc or the fact that you do not believe people have a good enough pc to play the next gen nhl. what about call of duty 4, only the greatest game on earth and the most played online. go look at how many copies it sold for pc. why? because its not a bullshit cop out on the pc. there is no reason ea can't sell millions of copies for the pc if it doesn't cop out and does a proper decent job. Ever hear the saying, hard work pays off? please for the sake of all pc gamers, do not make us waste our money again like we have over the last 3 years. if you are worried about piracy, make an awsome game with amaizing online play and guess what, people buy it because they can't play it online without a registered cd key.

Common Sense said:

This thread is just too funny.

Most of you swear off EA for not making PC games now and then say you will buy competitors. The funny thing is, there aren't competitors. So i guess none of you will be buying any games at all. Thats a shame because games are fun.

If you're mad about no PC sports games thats perfectly understandable. But dont be mad at Peter. Be mad at the rest of the world for not caring about PC Sports (keyword Sports) games and thus there being no mass market for them. Its all business.

In the sports genre, its all on consoles. Either accept that FACT or just keep convincing yourself that EA is just trying to stick it to you for no good reason. Which sounds more logical?

Customer Disservice said:

"Contrary to some of the passionate posts on this blog, we have no intention to abandon the PC as a sports gaming platform. Rather, we are taking this time to re-define the way we bring you compelling experiences while at the same time making sure we make the appropriate and necessary investments for the future. I ask for your patience, understanding, and openness to new and unique ideas…"

With the following announcement of future cancellations along with the previously mentioned Madden 08, be prepared for the PC gamers to abandon EA altogether as a sports-gaming provider and perhaps to many other non sports-related titles.  Not generally being one to endorse piracy, I personally see no any other recourse to any future EA titles that may interest me as I will be damned to give EA any more of my significant "entertainment budget".

b roberts said:

hi    i have purchased tiger woods for pc  every year for the past 4 years   because i love golf and to hear there is no tiger for pc in 2009    makes me sad and angry   i will not purchase an xbox or PS3  just to play    have been spending $$$ to upgrade PC   why would i spend more money for a console     EA  you have just lost a good customer    and i think many are to follow

                                                            thanks for listening

Markringe said:

hi, will we finally see a new updated game engine on tiger woods/FIFA etc?

because the current line of PC graphics on ea's games suck worse then they did in 2002 when they were first introduced on the Playstation2...

Anthony said:

So let me get this straight. First you sign an exclusive deal with the NFL for the rights to make football games so no one can compete with you, then you stop making PC versions so anyone who wants to play a NFL video game has to buy a console. EA has always been one of the most lame companies when it comes to customer service (I have NEVER received an answer to any support queries I have submitted) and now you entirely pull the rug out from under PC gamers (and don't give me this crap about looking into pc down the line. If that were true you could have put out a pc version this year while doing so. While you may not make a killing on it I don't for a minute believe you lose money on it).

Maybe some of us don't want to spend $400 on a system that will be obsolete in two years. EA had three games coming out (well it did including Madden or so I thought) in the coming months I was planning on buying. I won't be purchasing any now. I can't really think of any good reason to give my money to a company that doesn't give a rats ass about it's customer base.

Rikkie said:

We are getting a very nice football game for pc , copy and past this link. I love the physics system  :)

www.gametrailers.com/.../32951.html

Redmoon said:

Please put 2vs2 online mode for FIFA 09 PC. Follow my URL on forum thread and see!

From my EA forum league over 94% of the people agree with me. And if you want to beat KONAMI, here's your chance, PES already have 2vs2, 3vs3, etc online modes on the (PC).

Its time for FIFA 09 PC to be sorted out too.

And also make tournament system in online play stricter. Quitters must not capitalise. Ranking leaderboard is fake. I want an improvement on that matter. Genuine Stats and rating. Quitters must not get away with it. If someone quits, I want him to be rewarded the loss. ALT+F4 must no longer work. Also pulling the plug off from your router must not result in your opponent ending up with the loss. Corner bug must be eliminated.

That's it for now, I am not asking for anything more then this,

aceblue70 said:

Reading this just makes me sick. I am past disappointed with the quality of EA's games. Now, your getting rid of most of your PC sports games. And to say that your not totally abandoning the PC is, at least to me, a lie. I am going to quote you from this piece:

"This year, we don’t plan to ship Madden, NCAA Football, NASCAR, Tiger Woods PGA TOUR, or NBA LIVE for the PC platform."

EA hasn't released an NCAA sports game in about 10 years. To even mention it is pointless and at the same time troubling.

I also respectfully disagree with everyone who believe that EA Sports is not abandoning the PC. Considering that MVP 05 was that last game, it seems to me as if EA is just phasing out the PC, something I had been hearing about the past few years.

Former EA Supporter said:

I do hope that you are true to your word and that we do see an "annoucement" about Madden PC and "updates" about your "re-defining" and "exploring" of the pc sports platform as it pertains to your products. I will be wating to see where this leads to.

I wanted to also mention about the slogan "It's in the game!" After reading many posts in the forums and here in your blog I feel that this is not being best represented by your company. In Madden for example there have been issues with standard things that you see in a NFL game that do not show up in a Madden game. I've heard of some in Tiger. I do not know about your other titles but I'm sure that somone else may know more about those. If your company is going to continue to use the slogan than you need to make sure you represent it accurately. If not, than you need to explore other slogans, as it stands now it gives you a negative image.

Anyone else playing other EA sports games find this slogan to be inaccurate?

One last thing about image: In my opinon, the image I have been getting from EA sports is that it has been:

Bend over backwords, do anything and everything for the consoles

while for the PC er's it has been:

walk on eggshells, count the pennies, point out the faults.

No offense to console gamers. I hope that Madden and other EA sports games turn out to meet your expectations.

I know it is about business and profits, and right or wrong I'm just posting an opinion. What I'm trying to say Peter, is that in your "searching" and "re-defining" maybe you should examine your image and see if it is one that you want the company to project. Many of us PC er's are just looking to be treated fairly. When you buy a company's products shouldn't you at least expect that?

razor said:

peter,

please die. quickly.

thanks,

razor

Madden is dead said:

This is exactly why ea is such a crappy company. Instead of trying to find out why their ports are not selling well they abandon the pc market. This will bite them in the ass. None of the games they release will have the reach that they previously did. People will not get as hyped up for a console only game. Madden is not GTA III or Halo. It does not have a fan base that will buy a console to play madden. Most pc gamers(while considerably fewer then years past) will abandon the madden franchise altogether.

real gamer said:

"This thread is just too funny.

Most of you swear off EA for not making PC games now and then say you will buy competitors. The funny thing is, there aren't competitors. So i guess none of you will be buying any games at all. Thats a shame because games are fun.

If you're mad about no PC sports games thats perfectly understandable. But dont be mad at Peter. Be mad at the rest of the world for not caring about PC Sports (keyword Sports) games and thus there being no mass market for them. Its all business.

In the sports genre, its all on consoles. Either accept that FACT or just keep convincing yourself that EA is just trying to stick it to you for no good reason. Which sounds more logical?"

not  really" common sense"     ea is trying to stop competition all  together so no other company can make a  sport game whether  it be   on the pc.  If they stop the pc games for  sports all together

it will be devastating but i can live without playing ea all together as there are many good games available available on the pc .....cry sis, hit man, assinscreed to name a few. as for sports i can  stick with what i have already from ea nba live 08 etc along with watching the real thing .

I WILL NEVER BUY EA GAMES AGAIN IF  THEY DONT PORT IT TO THE PC

waway625 said:

I just want to ask you sir

Sir, are you aware that EA games,with EA Sports as among the top reasons,is one of the most hated game companies? when people talk about EA, the word "sucks" almost always follows along with "greed"

Tobias said:

Well I am sad to see that this day has come. I have every EA Sports TW PGA Tour out there and play them regularly. I even bought a new computer when the newer versions would not play on my old PC. I can understand with all of the difficulties over the last few years, why EA has made this move. But I ask that you look at the PC market and reconsider. There are people like me that enjoy PC games only. I am a father of two and there are very few PC games out there that are rated E. THey love golf, and love playing TW with me.

Unlike those comments above, I will continue to buy EA games as long as they suite me. I guess you have given me one more reason to go out and buy a Wii. It just hurts the wallet to have to spend money on that when I still have to buy the game, and will have this amazing computer that will sit dorment more than it does now.

Thanks Peter. How about providing those faithfuls a break on the price of the game given our support though the TW07 and TW08 problems for PC? That would help ease the transition. Seriously.

Ashok Das said:

why not port over the 360  versions of all sports games and allow full editing. As for your comment about games being played on wall sets, most of those sets have pc inputs or you can do it using a HDMI to DVI adapter. Please reconsider the decision.

Hollywood said:

Peter you sir are cluless

all I have to say id EA PORTS ITS IN THE GAME!

You not only lost my madden sales but nba live sales and any thing that has the ea NAME I REFUSE TO PURCHASE UNTILL YOU BRING BACK NBA LIVE AND MADDEN FOR THE PC

Noel said:

This is a post about Tiger Woods Series.  I was a beta tester for a few years, for PC versions.  

What's really sad IMHO is that EAS began deviating away from what REALLY matters, attention to realism, somewhere after 2004. For example, 2005 marked the end of animations that looked more like Toy Story, and less like real players. Compare Jim Furyk 2004 with anything beyond 2004. Just looks more cartoonish. Animations aside, IMHO here's what would sell PC version of TW:

Here's the basic philosophy: underlying philosophy--full dedication to realism

1: Make the game a platform with a 3 year service life, with an SDK (course architect, and 3d object tool), so that 3rd party developers can make courses, players, 3d objects, etc. The best example of this philosophy is Flight Simulator series. A whole cadre of 3rd party developers exist because MS doesn't try to put out a new one every year. Instead, they put out a product that can hardly run (at it's most detailed settings) with top end hardware on day 1, but scales to much lesser hardware, thereby extending its service life for years.

2. Build this platform so that it adheres to real life golf: photoreal textures and mesh detail (like Links 2003(!) for example; simulate what the RL golfer actually does: for example, have a view angle that simulates accurately what a player looks at when he plays (as an game option), looking down at the ball, seeing his hands and the club waggling, then swinging, then looking up to follow the ball, etc

3. Continue improving the audio commentary environment where perhaps you start to use AI to have the commentary follow a match as you might hear on TV: "That putt may be pivotal in this event. Tiger is now 2 shots back with 2 left to play and . . . yada yada, done by feherty & mccord of course :o)"

4. Add more Tour players, again, with attention to photoreal detail.  

A high end PC today, could run some seriously improved graphics: build for today's BEST video/CPU hardware (ala CRYSIS, or FSX, for example), but scale it with controls so lesser hardware could run it.

Anyway, I believe that a golf sim that IS SO REALISTIC, so like real golf, so like TV covered real golf, with a robust 3rd party SDK, you could have a product that would KEEP BRINGING IN DOLLARS for EAS for many years. This model would work, and if a different software company decided to do this, I'd be there in spades.

Sorry to see TW leave the PC.  It actually began leaving a few years ago when EAS decided to make it leave in favor of console support.   I understand this.  Even so, make a platform that would give TW Golf a 4 y service life: a super robust CA, etc.  You get the idea, i hope :o)

Noel

Noel said:

I didn't go into a lot of detail on my last post.  But here is another way of improving the realness factor:  make the animations transition from one scene to another . . . perfectly.  For example, you know how when your player is waggling, suddenly it stops, and takes the club away.  Smooth this out perfectly.  Attention to realism . . .

Aim high graphically:  you people have done great, but there is soooo much room for improvement here.  There will be MORE N MORE high end PC's coming along:  start building this now:o)  Multithreaded apps for multicore.  The next gen of photoreal golf could be SO amazing, people, golfers in particular, would just have to have it, i"m sorry, it's true.   Not the cartoony, toy story look.  But characters that look completely believeable.  Golf in the real world is very addictive.  Most golfers own PCs now.  Soon, those PCs WILL be able to crank out serious graphics etc.  THey are already.  Build a platform for PC that will enjoy many years to come, with 3rd party dev tools:  objects the course architects can insert, super dense mesh (heck, Links of 5y ago was enough, but why stop there).

And then, REALLY look at how golfers are covered on TV.  What first killed TW2005 for me as a credited beta tester was:  the auto-cam followed the ball from about 4 feet away, in the air.  NO TV coverage does this.  Fake.  Looser.  Don't sacrifice realism for theatrics -- EVER :o)  Over the top post-shot anis may seem ok, but when they repeat over n over, you turn them off.  No need for that.  I know it must be crazy hard to get the balance right, but something tells me the people who would want TW PC golf would like to have the best sense of the "suspension of disbelief".  Over the top kills that immediately.  The auto cam in 2004 was GREAT, and never over the top.  Very much like . . . TV coverage.

I hope EA can do it, else I'm hoping someone else does.  Golf has become really popular.  PCs too.  You know why the iPHONE sells so well?  Very high COOLNESS factor.  THAT's what the next gen PC golf sim needs to be.  Too cool to not purchase.  

1-900-Hustler said:

I think it's fine if they dont make politically correct games.

It's about time EA realized the world is not fair to everyone's beliefs.

I commend EA's stand to not make PC games just because some hippie raises his hand and says "oh you can't have an ambulance on the football field. That's not PC.  What about the disabled?"

Screw em.  I think people are too sensitive.  GTA4 isnt a very politically correct game and it's doing great.  

I think we're all grown up enough to not be offended by . .friggin games and dont need every game developer to be worried about how PC their game is.

Right on Peter!

Madden Fan said:

Is there anyway you could address the issue of putting out a roster patch?

Eli said:

Glad to hear you haven't completely given up on the PC.

Last year I was excited by the features that were advertised for NHL, and was shocked and disappointed when I realized the PC version did not include any of them.  I hope you can do more to create more parity between the PC and console versions.

And I do hope you bring Madden back to the PC SOON!  I'm still very upset at the decision to pull it.  A word of caution: don't over-emphasize the online play.  Speaking for me alone, I could care less about that feature.  All I want is solid, engaging gameplay, and I will be happy.

J Wade said:

I won't make you read too much, just know that this decision means I won't be buying the game for my Wii.  I had planned to buy it for both my Wii and the PC.  Since you have made such a silly decision however, I won't be buying it at all.  Thanks for the memories.  

Fredm2002 said:

Mr. Moore,

I have worked in business management and I can recognize the fact that you have to make a profit.

If you are not going to produce a PC version then at least give the rights to the PC market to someone else.  If you aren't going to provide a product then allow someone else to do so.

Final thoughts - I have always owned a PC, actually 14 of them.  I never pirate them, not use cracks.  I legally own everything.   Why are you punishing those of us that do things the right way, to restrict those that do not.  

I love EA Sports games, and own them all........even when they were not considered the best on the market I stuck with you through thick and thin.........maybe you could return the dedication and support us?  Just a thought?

One day, you will need us and if we don't feel your support of us, why would we support you?

not happy Jan said:

I am A dad I work 50 hours a week the tigerwoods pc game has been my down time since 2003

I have bought,and looked forward to every installment each year since then.I have loved to play online,I have made new friends from all around the world and ...well some idiots too but it's all good. I have kids they use the playstation, which is all good I bought it for them for that reason,the pc is mine I use it when I get home from work so that for an hour or so everyday I have my time. I play golf in that time because I rarley get a chance to go out and play.Now in your need to make more profit you and your company are forcing me to compete with my kids, if I am to play golf. thankyou EA SPORTS.......ps .....My kids will win I will not buy this game on any other platform

reppi said:

I consider this decision as a step in the right direction. I have been playing NBA Live & TW on a PC for several years now.

But I got more and more dissappointed when I bought the "new" version of these games every year. There was now real improvement or upgrade that would actually justify a "NEW" game! Since 2006  for Live it was only like a roster update and for TW some new gamemodes and slightly different courses, maybe a few new ones.

So since 2006 PC users could already see that there was not too much of ambition put into the new "development" of the PC series.

I there is a PC comeback planned, I would reccomend ES to implement more online gamemodes, a course editor, and also many more benefits the console users already have.

I also think there shouldn't be a new version every year, with the right support and continuing updates, new content / addons, it should be much easier to make the game attractive for PC users over a long term.

However, I recently bought a Xbox360 and downloaded the TW08 demo - and I was amazed! Compared to the PC version it is like a completeley different game!

And the game mode variety you get via online play is just incredible! Since I experienced that kind of "gameplay" I defenitely must say I was the right decision to stop the PC series!

Randy Dunson said:

Mr. Moore,

Newegg.com is currently advertising the PC platform of TW09 for presale.

Being curious, I presented them with information from the EA Sports website, your Blog, and information gleaned from the TW08 Forums, that in no certain terms would a PC platform version of TW09 be released. Newegg.com stands by their advertisement per the following (please note the next to last sentence):

"We have received the feedback from our related department. We are a reseller and we purchase most of our products from authorized wholesalers. We do not have to be an authorized dealer in order to sell products. Some we do purchase directly from the manufacturer. This is a pre-order game and is not yet in inventory. It has been announced for a future release date. Thank you for your patience and understanding."

I have no idea if EA monitors user forums or not, but if it is definitely on the record that EA Sports will not produce a PC platform for TW09, I will contact the SIIA with regard to Newegg.com posting a misleading, if not false, advertisement.

I am a strong supporter of software standards & ethics, and if one or more parties are misling the public, then I feel it my right to report said.

I would appreciate a final word from EA Sports as to whether a PC platform version of TW09 will be released or not.

Thank you.

jerry said:

and the golf world gets disappointed again, after years of support an spending hard earned

money no release on the pc platform .

this is a bad joke.i personally dont care about madden but also bought over the years the nba,fifa ,nhl releases.

and yet you release TW09 on any platform accept pc ??? !!!!

i guess i have to spend my money with other developers .

Cheers

Scotty said:

I just woke up on a nice Friday morning and decided to see when I could get Madden 09 for my PC, and this is what I find.  How disappointing.

What is even MORE disappointing is that the ONLY two PC games that will be released are FIFA 2009 and NHL 09??  Come on.  If this isnt a plea by EA to pull out of PC gaming all together, I dont know what is.  Lets face it: soccer is not the most popular sport state side, and although I LOVE FIFA 08, there's only so far you can take it.

As for NHL 09.. Lets see.. when was the last time I played an enjoyable version of the NHL series??  1999.  I even picked up NHL 08 on clearance for $9.99 and decided to throw it on my machine.  It stayed on for less then a day.

So now all of the GOOD games are off PC?  The NCAA series has been long gone, but now NASCAR, TW, and Madden??  Seriously.. how much fun is holding down "X" and pushing your stick to the left while doing lap after lap at Daytona??  Give my wheel some love..

You're a jackass, Peter.. you have no idea what you've done...

BGWATT4 said:

Peter, much thanks to you for responding to this million dollar question. Can you or your associates confirm the issues offered to the public on www.newegg.com? It shows a copy confirmed for the pc version of TW 09'...........ty, BGWATT4.

BGWATT4 said:

Peter, much thanks to you for responding to this million dollar question. Can you or your associates confirm the issues offered to the public on www.newegg.com? It shows a copy confirmed for the pc version of TW 09'...........ty, BGWATT4.

Nigel Fortune said:

Dear Peter,

                      I just wonder what really made you make this decision to drop these titles from your agenda? This decision lets down millions of pc gaming fans, and i think its purely a decision based on sales that are less than console versions. Unless you decision is reversed, this is the beginning of the end for EAsports on the PC format. Its a sad day, but another games house will eventually come along and take over from you.

Nigel Fortune said:

Dear Peter,

                      I just wonder what really made you make this decision to drop these titles from your agenda? This decision lets down millions of pc gaming fans, and i think its purely a decision based on sales that are less than console versions. Unless you decision is reversed, this is the beginning of the end for EAsports on the PC format. Its a sad day, but another games house will eventually come along and take over from you.

thomas said:

can a downloaded game such as fifa 08 be copied onto a cd to use on another computer?

dewey said:

Pull your head out of your rear Peter and get a clue!  Current PC's with quad core processors and high end graphics cards are just as capable as any gaming console.  If you made the PC versions with the same features as the console versions you wouldn't have a sales problem!  Sales of Tiger Woods 08 would have been significantly higher if you had included the GAME FACE feature in the PC version!

william bremer said:

I don't know what your profit margins are on the PC versions.  Presumably that is driving the decision to discontinue the PC version of Tiger Woods.  But you have a remarkably loyal following that have used antiquated course architect utilities to create endless variations of courses some of which are better than the original ones.  If I had been confined to the courses that came with the game I wouldn't have purchased the last five versions.  One wonders how much time does it really take to put out a PC version when you are creating other versions for programs aimed at kids.  Leaving the adults who tend to use the PC version behind is not a wise marketing decision unless the effort leads to loss instead of profit.

Noel said:

Yes, geez, please do reconsider the idea I outlined above:  killer front end, awesome SDK, 3 year upgrade cycle, and complete dedication to the perfect blend between first person professional golf and first class TV coverage of golf.  You have the coverage part close enough with proper camera work and good ol' Gary and David.  But alot more could be done from the first-person golfer point of view.   I know I won't be buying a console for many years if ever.  I keep up with high perf PCs and they work wonderfully.  

Was it Vista that killed it?

Julio Thomas said:

This has been beaten to death. I'm very late to this, but I had to say my piece.

Mr. Moore,

I'm pushing 40. I'm a grown man. I'm one of the people buying EA PC games since "Bird vs. Dr. J". I've spent money on virtually every iteration of Madden, NBA Live, Tiger Woods, and other various EA Games on whatever console or platform i was using at the time.

I do not see the need for a console, as I earn enough to have a decent running PC that can handle about anything out there.

I'm livid that you decided to abandon me. It's been mentioned, but I'll reiterate it. Your business decision to give PC owners PS2 quality ports for their PCs is what doomed your sales. Your decision to take out things that used to be in there (Official Course Creators for the TW games) is what doomed your sales. The fact you never went "Next Gen" (Xbox 360 or PS3) quality with your PC titles doomed your sales. It's ludicrous to think a PC gamer would be OK with that.

Now that EA has the exclusive rights to NFL Football (and to Tiger Woods' likeness), nobody else can step in and take care of us in the 2 games I've religiously purchased on my Gaming PC every year.

You've lost the goodwill of this customer that was around in '93 when EA Sports was spawned. You may never get me back. Thanks for nothing.

McBruce said:

william bremer .. The EA management says and I would have to agree they do listen but this does not always mean they act. The fact PC sales are less than console versions seems obvious to me,... I bought the wii, ps3 and xbox versions of Tiger Woods 08 but only as a direct result the PC version was backward compatable  (we could run our Pro Online Tour) allowing us to replicate the PGA Tour stops with the outdated design software you mentioned.

My basis of purchasing non-PC versions of the same game was to keep the kids off my PC ..didn't work very well ... gamepad as apposed to the mouse swing doesn't rate very high,

.....the inability to interact , design their own courses ...well someone at EA I believe has the idea kids will never buy a sim where a game is available - they are wrong.

 They are also way off the mark thinking that PC sales has nothing to do with console sales ...  I have been involved in sites that indirectly promote EA's Tiger Woods series-as communities or cyber golf tours, and have either been administrating or staff on many of these sites for many years. I can speculate sales for the console versions of the 09 series for several EA games has dropped as a direct result of not releasing a PC counterpart, but someone in marketing must have known console sales would drop with no release of a PC version...

William Roland said:

Isn't there ANYTHING you can do about Tiger Woods PGA Tour for '09?  I've had every version since '03, and the online community has been fantastic.

Will you at least keep the '08 online site going?  Release the '09 new courses to run on '08?  Either should provide enough revenue to keep a loyal player base.

Joshua Baatz said:

to say the least i am mad angry upset and frankly peeved off at ea right now. I have no console I have a pc love madden buy it every year and now i cant for 09 why is what i ask. as a pc user ive been jiped on madden for a couple of years now and usually am upset that ea doesn't try harder to update the pc version of the game. that said i still buy it every year and was anticipating the 09 release. I hope ea loses millions of dollars buy not selling the 09 version on pc. what u say it presents challenges hello my pc has better graphics processing unit than a ps3 or xbox 360  and correct me if im wrong but arent these game developed on a high end pc and then coded to work on the ps3 or xbox360. thats the way games are made. thats the way its always been so what is so hard about leaving the code geared to the pc? You know not chaging it to work on the platforms. I'm telling u ea games people will get tired of the platform consoles because they dont have enough uses as in they dont do as much as a pc. or last as long. not to mention the ever increasing price of consoles. I may be completly off base here if so i would love an e-mail telling me why ea does not want my buisness this  year and why it was so difficult to not change the code and leave it as a pc game also. I mean what happend out there its pretty bad when u make a game for the ds or psp and not for the pc. eagearly awaiting an explanation at joshsbots@yahoo.com

<Sigh> said:

 Your kidding? FIFA and NHL will all be what is left for PC in '09? THEY will be sole supporters of the PC side?

 I have TW '07 and was waiting for '09 to come out. <Sigh>  I buess I will have to resort to playing all my golf on Pogo.Com or go to a competitor for PC golf offline

sad day said:

The PC is what makes the future game consoles a reality and if you cut off the good titles for the PC there will be no need for better hardware that so many have spent cazy money to buy. EA has just cut off thier nose and don't even know it. Why buy better hardware if there is no need for it!

In the end it comes down to the programming to stop the pirates

kenny Matthews said:

You know this leaves the door wide open for Ubisoft and other software companys thats find that you need to exlpore its all about business . I agree but now i feel iam not lock into EA i could venture after all I am a consumer but like i said its all about BUSINESS.

Erik Urban said:

PORT PORT PORT PORT!

As someone said, we (pcgamers) aren´t looking for something special...we just want the same as the consoles.

If NHL09 came out in similar versions for the pc or X360 I´d buy the PC version without doubt.

Speed Racer said:

I think iit is a mistake not to come out with TIGER WOODS 09 for PC just think of all the sale you will loose this year I myself have baught the Tiger Wood pc game since it first came out in 1999 and have loved playing it every year now what do we all do now the tiger woods games are the best games ever created for pc i have gone to many serches on the web for Tiger Woods 09 and turned up at least a dozenwebsites that advertise that TIGER WOODS 09 will be released for pc on 8/26/2008.so tell me if this is true or not  i want to here it from ea sports not from another party thank you  

David Hares said:

Peter,

As a LOYAL CONSUMER, of EA Sports for the past 5 years. it saddens me to let you know that you have now LOST ANOTHER customer of ALL EA GAMES!!!  I have both PC AND PSP3 platforms , however, I have never missed purchasing TIGER OR NASCAR - PARTICULARLY TIGER - but you and the Marketing staff at EA have obviously "LOST TOUCH", with those of us who enjoyed the PORTABILITY AND RELAXING time of not having to drag our (PSP/WII/etc.) systems to our coottages or just quietly play in our home den, offices...I will sadly be joining the thousands of other (formerly loyal) fans and consumers of EA GAMES and boycott purches of all games associated with your company...Can you WIN US BACK - of course - just open your eyes and ears and listen to the screams coming from your consimers - EA MUST BE DOING VERY WELL - IN SALES - to be able to simply THROW AWAY all of this business...At this point, I'm really not sure why I would ever consider doing business with EA Sprots ever again!!

Regards,

             David B. Hares

Michael Pitts said:

I guess you think this entire PC thing is just a passing fad.  With the death of links for PC and now this great decesion you have ignored an entire section of clients.  I hope the 09 game fails miserably.  

Tiger Fans said:

This is not good....

The console version of Tiger has always been inferior to the pc version,especially with the controls.

Hope you rethink of your decision....

Tom Weir said:

I was sick to my stomach when I heard today that EA Sports will not being making a PC version of the only two games I play on my computer.  I do not own a game council and have no intention of buying one.  I have been BUYING Tiger Woods Golf and Madden Football PC games since their first edition (many years ago).  I am very disappointed that honest folks in this world are being tossed aside because a giant software manufacture like EA can not find a way to satisfy the PC market.  From my comments above you may have notice that I am not a kid but a dedicated customer of EA products for many years but this announcement is making me ill.  I have enjoyed EA Sports over the years because the game play is very good but mostly because of its affiliation with the NFL, PGA, MLS, MLB, which gives you proper team and player names and stats.

I am at a loss for what to do this fall; I guess I will start playing Solitaire!  

Robert Jarvis said:

If it wasn't for the PC there would be no EA Sports to begin with and now you dump all the interesting sports.  I won't be buying any EA titles for my WII or any other system.  Thanks for the support.

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Sincerely,

A VERY unhappy consumer !!

Mac said:

All I can say is you must have lost your mind!!!  1st you stopped making Nascar for PC and now no Madden or Tiger in the Same Year???  I also own a PS3 and A 360 but I will not buy ANY EA game titles whatsoever.  I just counted 21 EA game titles on my Shelf and there will be zero more from me probably forever...Put that in you Cost Benefit Analysis and smoke it!

Leon Morris said:

I too have been a long time fan of Tiger Woods since it first came out. I have seen over the years that the number of courses offered got smaller, the troubles within the games got to be many, and the technical support got to be nonexistant. I am a computer support specialist and an avid game player of sports and shooter games for MANY more years that I really want to remember, all the way back to PONG days. EA was my favorate company until about three years ago. I have seen other companies make similar mistakes as you are now making. Many are not in business any longer due to forgetting WHO THE CUSTOMER IS. Please don't follow in their footsteps as you are doing. Your base for many years was the PC market. How many PCs are sold EVERY year. You think maby the market is still there and you are sending them somewhere else. Listen to the real people who have supported you in the past. They will return IF you treat them right.

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do you have any infromation about system requirements for nhl 09 for pc

Noel said:

Don't worry people, where there's a void, someone will fill it.  The world's a big place.  I figure an Asian company will pick up PC golf and do it better that EA did, which will be saying something.  I think EA just lost the creative touch, and rested on their laurels to a fault as TW series *progressed*, or aged, as might be more appropriate.   The project manager and producers of TW golf really lost an opportunity in not really setting this up as it should have been from the start:  totally killer, visually much more scalable, front end, and then a potent SDK for course and 3D object development.  Imagine TW with the depth of mesh detail as say Links 2004 enjoyed.  They could have really shot for perfection, versus silliness, gameface nonsense.  Make it like RL golf, and coverage of it on TV, that's what all people really want.  Graphically it progressed a little since TW2004, but not enough.  Mesh detail way lacking.  You needed to strive for photoreal which is clearly possible now.  A 3-4y product cycle:  and an SDK for course and object development that is way more advanced (ie, can support photoreal mesh and textures) and open up a whole side industry to support it.  Like MS Flight Sim did.  Huge 3d party developer base.  And how about this:  release "player packs" of the top 50 tour players that one could purchase from EA.   Retain the core client software and player add ins, and then properly support the course development community with killer tools for super high res rendering.

So much more could have been done with TW series for PC by staying with adherence to first person golf experience.  Suspension of Disbelief.  As goofy hairdo's and gameface became the carrot, the game began losing its appeal.  Imagine a version so realistic, so immersive of first person golf and TV coverage of it, that you would just HAVE TO HAVE IT.  It's possible now with today's hardware.

Phenrik said:

Hey, i feel a bit downed that there wont be a pc version of tiger woods pga tour 2009 , with the new exciting features. I have bought and played the game since it came out in 2004 and i have always thought it was awsome. new features (less courses :(\ ) but still i hope there will be a new pc version some day, unfortunately us fanatics, who cant afford all the consoles, and a big *** tv to play them on gets to try the new game. still keep  up the promises and do em.

Best regards Phen

tom said:

*** you peter thanksfor puting out fifa 09 yeah tht garbae is going to make more than madden but instead of making ncaa footbal for the pc you make nhl09 i mea give m a break  ha bout every version of madden when it first came out know this year my ps2 has n madden and for that matter no new ea sport gams *** you u irragant piecwe of ***

Shaun said:

why not just do what all current PC games do, make it a monthly charge instead of charging for the game. If you were to release next GEN FIFA on PC, with squad updates monthly, and an online experience identical to xbox's (Windows LIVE anyone??) We could even play againt 360 players. This would re-invigorate the community and I guarantee people will pay for it. PPL pay MS AUD$30 a month just to use xbox live so they can play FIFA and madden online, I don't understand why EA dosn't create an EA online or hook up with MS on windows LIVE. you can check the validity of the copy on server login, and even if ppl setup pirate servers, they won't have features like cross-platorm Play. In my opinion this stategy would certainly get my support and I would happily pay a monthyly fee for FIF, or madden or cricket or rugby if I could play online against ppl playing on the console version and if the game had content and squad updates that refelct the real world(IE, a player transfers clubs or is injured, this could be reflected in the game)

Tiger W said:

So its bye-bye sports games on PC from EAS. Well folks if you think this will cut your losses, see you next year when you'll have to forget about ALL sposr games.  " we're rethinking sport games" it is just a good joke. Have fun everybody

Keith said:

Peter: Maybe you could have spent the dollars you invested in Tiger 09 for PS2 into a PC version. What an abomination this game is!  The graphics resemble an Atari game from the 80's.

I paid $39.99 and returned it the next morning and told the staff at Gamestop they should do themselves and their customers a favor and send all copies back, as it's not worth $3.99.  This begs the question:  Why would you want such an inferior product out there diluting and tarnishing the title, if your standards are so high? Are PC users held in such disregard? When we helped the title get off it's feet in the first place. I am disillusoned and seriously questioning you vision.

chadahooch74 said:

I am not very pleased that tiger woods didnt come out with a PC version this year and playstation 2s version really sucks glad i didnt buy it i be demanding my money back as you guys hacked it big time no online none of the features that other consols got and no ppl in back ground at all u can here them yelling but u cant see them how stupid is that I hope you guys bring back tiger woods for pc and leave ps2 out next time i would rather seen a pc version with online then this ps2 version of garbage what are you thinking getting rid of pcs version of woods i have them all back to 99 and now you guys screwed it up big time thanks alot ea and tiger woods hope you guys are happy that you screwed the pc users of another great game now i guess i have to go get another system to play new tiger woods which is stupid i shouldnt have too thankyou

Iulian said:

I think it's a blessing for everyone that the PC versions of all this games won't be released. For the last 2-3 years moast of the EASPORTS products were slopy, full of bugs, very expensive and it was clear the company it's losing the market. Take FIFA 08 and FIFA MANAGER 08...2 games full of bugs, with no beta testing... shame about Tiger Woods...that one did'n have bugs...but the sport itself is rather limited to produce new versions. But in my opinion the top market for gaming will allways remain the PC platform..simply because it's universal...Asia goes for WII, US for XBOX360 and Europe goes for PlayStation. But all continents have home users that own a  PC...so i think that the EA management should rethink their marketing, their programming...hell.. they should just get everyone fired and bring in some real gaming programmers.

Randy H said:

Shame on you for not releasing TW09 to PC.

I have all of them since 99.   I guess you didn't get a big enough bonus last year huh?

terry said:

i hope that u change your mind and make a pc tiger woods 09 or at least buy and download from es

Bruce Genereux said:

Instead of redoing TW 08 to a newer version, how about doing it like your predecessors..Links at Access Sports and sell just new courses. That way you can still make $$$$ w/o all the new program hassle. At least it would be a compromise.

L. Campbell said:

Well, I have been looking everywhere for TW09, and now I finally know that you have no plans to release it at all. Well, I to have every version since you first released them, and I must say that I am extremly disappointed in that decision. I too have no plans to go out and buy any other platform for gaming, so I guess you are happy losing business that you would have had, or maybe you just don't really care about the PC gamers. I must say that it was a bad choice, but it was yours to make, so good luck. I guess my days with EA Sports have just come to an end, but you cleary don't care about that either, so I am not sure why I even bothered to write this blog.

James said:

I want Tiger Woods for the PC now

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James said:

I want Tiger Woods for the PC.  You are full of it Peter

F Roeder said:

I only buy EA Games for both PC and console platforms, but am very sad and dissappointed that you will not be bringing TW 09 to the PC.  Of your sports games golf is the only one I play on the PC.   We all want TW 09 for the PC, you have more control and better online gameplay I think with the PC and with all of our happy broadband connections I think it is faster than console, although my PS3 is pretty quick, just slower load times.  TW 08 brought the best golf play experience I had seen in golf since Microsoft Links 2002 and it has been great following all of the unique advancements PC gaming has brought.  Please reconsider bringing TW 09 back to the PC your killing us here.  We need PC golfing   !!!!!  PC Gaming is not DEAD Peter  !!!!!!!

Dennis MacRitchie said:

Why issue a TW 08 for the PC when you choose not to support or acknowledge it's  ineffectiveness. 09 was the year of the end of the effort for the PC eh. I'm glad I sold my stock.

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Peter,

Now where am I going to spend $500 dollars now?  I normally by at least 10 accounts for Tiger Woods for the pc.  Now, what am I to do?

BigAl said:

I have looked forward to the new version each of the past 5 years and have purchased them with no regret.  I am VERY disappointed to find there will not be a PC version for 2009.  After a year I get a little tired of the same old courses and same old features <sigh>

charles jennings said:

sept18.008 14:52

I have bought every tiger game since the start,despite the fact that the commentary on the games has hardly ever changed over the years.and has been out of sinc over the last 2years

badly i might add.now you want to rip of your longest group of customers by forcing them into

paying exhorbitantprices for ps23 xbox &wii.some people like myself have limited pensions

but as usual pensioners do not have any choice in this rip of either.soi willjust refuse to give in to your market plans for joe public and spend my limited recourses elseware if you do not

stik to your  elder base of fans I hope  others follow my stand this time .

Alex said:

Why on earth would you not put tiger woods 09 on the pc?!

It's the only decent platform that allows users to add content to their game.

And considering some of the crap you guys put on the pc how about considering us pc people

the next time you decide to make a game?

Anders said:

I am shocked. As an adult gamer I have no intention of getting a gaming console just for one game.

Golf (the sport) has always been a buisness mans game of sorts, so what made EA think that people that actually play Golf would play on consoles?

I do understand the money is greater on consoles, but I doubt the sales for Golf among teenagers is larger among buyers on the console rather than the PC Golf buyers.

Also I refuse to have to PAY Microsoft a monthly fee to play online with the Xbox 360. Why should we pay for something that has always been free on the PC?

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Sejo said:

hey EA way  is nba 09 for xbox 360 and ps3 ???    A PC  :(   :(   :(   :(   :(

Charles said:

Well I believe that what Peter was trying to say is that it is too much trouble to make games that have to work on every conceivable combination of hardware/software that exists for the PC.  I myself have bought EA products that I have needed help getting to work on my rig and I have nothing special under the hood. They are working their way to elliminating PC games altogether.

Saying that I feel abandoned by EA.  I have updated Maddan, Tiger Woods, etc. for many years. (I also conmtinue to try other EA products, Spore being the latest). Some years I paid my 50 bucks to get a product that was marginally better than the previous year or worse. Since EA does not seem to care for my preferred format I suppose I will no longer support their company.  If enough of us PCers get together and quit buying their products in any format maybe they will change their mind.  If not we are no worse off than we are now....abandoned.

dr. most said:

please give us pc users our tiger woods don't  lock us out.

Dave said:

TW09 after all the comments posted above, I guess you just dont care anymore...

Shaner said:

WTF!!!

Could have warned us a couple years ago so that somthing could have been done to at least continue playing TW online. Another site, downloads, etc.

I have bought TW since 99 religously. Even bought it pre-release and have it in my mail box the day it was.

I spent a LOT of money building my PC.(over 5K) Insted of buying a big flat sceen TV and a childs PS or Xbox. I am speaking for the mid to upper age group who I "HAD" a great time playing for thousands of hours with.

And NO, I'm not going to go out and spend one dime for a PS or Xbox. And it sounds like EA won't get a cent from me either!!!

I live in the Bay Area. Hope that I run in to you sometime Peter, so I can shake your hand and say "Thank you for being so thoughtfull and to go to hell"!!!!

Sorry about some of my language, I'm just pissed off!!!

Gabriel said:

Same as Anders I,m not interested by console

I am shocked. As an adult gamer I have no intention of getting a gaming console just for one game.

Golf (the sport) has always been a buisness mans game of sorts, so what made EA think that people that actually play Golf would play on consoles?

I do understand the money is greater on consoles, but I doubt the sales for Golf among teenagers is larger among buyers on the console rather than the PC Golf buyers.

Also I refuse to have to PAY Microsoft a monthly fee to play online with the Xbox 360. Why should we pay for something that has always been free on the PC?

Curt Rasmussen said:

I have bought the new version of PGA Tour for PC each year since the first release.  Many, many pleaurable hours playing the game.  The differences/"enhancements" between 07 and 08 were not worth the $ but I bought it anyway.  It was clear at that point all the engineering money was going to the gaming platforms.  I wrote on the game site earlier this year that if significant enhancements werent present in 09 for PC (and I made a number of fun suggestions as well) that I would no longer be a buyer.  Seems you've made that desions for me.  

Be careful you dont ignore the broader consequences; I have bought other EA games (sports, Shooter) for the PC.  At least one or two additional per year in fact.  This decision is very disappointing and will make me a very cautious buyer.

Reply if you care to: curtraz@comcast.net

Chip Jackson said:

I read this news and was very disappointed.  As someone who travels extensively, Tiger Woods is great on a laptop.  Taking a game console is just not realistic.  Guess we wait for another company to pick up the mantle and take our business to them.

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Life's a ***, eh pal? Fail at taking over Take 2 and now they're releasing a NEXT GEN NBA basketball game for PC users at $19.99!!!  I'm buying 4 copies of that and I hope EA goes bankrupt and you lose your job.  Hasta La Vista baby.

Lifelong EA customer and now I will NEVER EVER buy another EA published, distributed, developed game EVER.  I won't even buy a game if it's sitting NEXT to an EA title.  The stench of failure and crappiness may have migrated over and tainted the game.

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I have bought all TW games since 1997 I think, and have asked for new updates in the stores in DK = Denmark. Everytime the assistent told me that they do nok know when it arrived. today I had some time to investigat and west on the EA international web site....and discovered that you skiped the PC version.

This is a sad moment, I can understand that you do not sell enought og the PC games, but a lot of people or us older people like to play the game, and are not into XBOX, PS3 or WIii. We simply like to sit together with our best friends (The PC, and TW) and play online or off line. This is fun and very relaxing.

The sales figures last year could be that there eas not much new in the 2008 game.

My hope is that you will take into consideration that all we who love EA, and the games you produced a game to all us in 2010.  so please.

Last but not least Why is it not clearly announced on your website that TW for PC not will be produced. There is nothing on the danish website and i have used long time to find this ispot here....

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I am a businessman like yourself.  I do understand that a business decision was made to suspend PC games for 2009.  For me, I own every version of TW and was very dissapointed that no 2009 version is available.  I play regularly at my PC since I don't have a chance at the xbox-360 with my 16 year old son in the house.  Regardless, I hope that this is a one year suspension and not permanent.  I think most people who play would never take the time to find this board, let alone enter a comment.  My AMEX card will be in my hand waiting.

jpprodroductions said:

We should have known that no Tiger Woods was comng as each year the concentration seem to more and more on the X-box and Playstation formats. Even though I have a playstation it's a much better game on the PC. Hopefully you will change your mind and start the pc game again. If not we can only hope for another game from another company. Links used to be the top dog until it was phased out by Microsoft and I turned to Tger Woods.  

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I think the PC community should boycott your products.........better yet don't make anymore then you don't have to worry about piracy.

of course if you didn't screw the consumer for the high price of the games in the first place

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Peter

I guess I should crawl out from under my rock more often, but I am just reading that EA games is not producing several titles for the PC this year.  I have been a VERY loyal customer since the infant days of EA games and have owend almost every sports title and absolutely love the Medal of Honor series.

I have no misconceptions that by writing this is going to make a difference in your business plans but you can now count on your annual sales reports will be at least $200 less in sales every year from now on.  By turning your backs on the customers who MADE EA what it is today you have lost one of your longest standing customers.

Wow, I wonder how your stock is trading today.

Your newest and guaranteed not the last customer you will loose over this choice

Tony Green

John Fehner said:

It's nice that you forget your roots.  If it weren't for computers, AND the people that own them, there would be no EA!!!  Face it, your corporate greed is leading you to abandon a significant segment of the gaming population.

I intend to contact the NFL, and recommend everyone else does this..as well as the PGA and have them look at this, because with you folks having an exclusive contract (NFL in particular) you may very well be in breach of contract with them.

Anthony said:

Hey Peter,

I'm not here to tell you how to do your job, but why don't you have your people that are making NBA Live every year to stop dicking around? This game has been the same since about 2002 and has gone down hill after hitting it's peak in 2005.

EA is selling an awful product and yet people continue to buy it. I'll take my $65 elsewhere thank you.

justastiffy said:

Really disapointing decision not to support the PC version.

I (like many others) have no plans to buy a console for gaming.

Hope you will reconsider.

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So Glad there is no TW2009 on PC. If 2008 is anything to go by, one of the poorest games we have ever played. Get through all the rounds and go onto the pro tour circuit only to find the s/ware has been pre programmed to prevent you making the cut on all games, isn't that like playing MOH and someone forgetting to tell the germans they should be there ? I and a couple of colleagues run an IT department at a local college. 3 months ago we set up brand new HP machines and got 10 copies of TW2008 and used this as an example of "Electronic Arts (EA) is the world's leading independent developer and publisher of interactive software" and how it should not be done. We have 10 students who play during lunch hours, lessons and after college in the evenings. This is best example of how to kill future and some current customers interest in EA Games. We have dabbled with the TW series previously - this is by far the best (or poorest) example of their inability - I hope EA sacked and witheld wages of the bozo's who developed the TW series. graphics are excellent, gameplay is predictable and a sacrifice of quantity not quality has been made in what seems like a deliberate attempt to pump out 2nd rate software. Let's look at the game in a bit more detail. course design and number of courses are excellent, the rather obvious inadequacies stick out a mile. A lofted wedge in the deep rough on one hole has a distance of 63 yards for a shot distance to the pin of 26 feet (deep rough). the next hole, the distance from the pin is 42 feet and the same LW has a distance of 24feet ?(med rough) How obvious is the preprogramming on some of the courses, including the wind, on some shots you can correct for the wind, say a 10 mph wind and watch the ball follow your path, e.g the 10 mph wind has no effect on the ball and it lands in the preprogrammed area, away from the pin. On another course, or hole, a 30 mph wind takes the ball out of bounds no matter how much you correct - the students have picked up on these obvious glitches and due to the above and a whole string of other defects, EA games have managed to persuade half a class of students to abandon EA games, but it has served as a very good example of how not to design and programme a PC game and a company none of them will want to work for. well done for chasing away your customers EA games - don't bother to keep up the poor work