Welcome to Peter Moore's Official Blog

fk915 said:

Hay Peter ... thanks for the update ... What about EA Cricket ?? are you planning to release PC version of Cricket 09 ???

Bekka! said:

Peter! It's Bekka! I was going through random websites and found that you had a blog. How have you been? And you should come and visit us soon, even though I am in South Africa. Tell the family I said hi and give Toni a hug for me!

the zo-han said:

Hello Peter and company, I, like most people, have used this forum to express my negative views regarding the current direction of EA's games.  Although I feel that your response to the "heat" as you put it and subsequent response (listing EA's awards), was a cop out I'm not going to bash you for it.  I just hope that you are truly taking into account the requests and opinions of the people who take the time to respond to your blogs.  I personally like to focus my attention on Madden.  I feel your Madden title was the game that put EA's sport on the gaming map.  From my standpoint Madden has taken a turn for the worse since the Next Gen gaming systems were introduced.  Madden 04 marked the peak of EA's gaming potential because the game play was so fluid and the detail put into the players and game as a whole were right on the money.  In my humble estimation, the last three Madden release have been lackluster to say the least despite what the gaming awards might indicate.  In essence Peter, you really need to blow us away with your Madden 2010 release because it seems that Madden 09 is simply a mirror image of your previous Next Gen installments with a few minimal tweaks here and there.  Although I'm simply just a peon and hold zero clout in the gaming community here is what I believe producers like Matt Reid need to do in order to make Madden 2010 the greatest Madden instatement to date and put EA back on top of the gaming industry..  First and foremost, I believe that the makers of Madden must offer some new uniform/character options for the current player models that exist.  Looking around the league it is obvious that not every player wears Reebok cleats.  I feel it would be instrumental for the developers of Madden to offer a wider variety of cleats styles.  I realize that shoe and licensing contracts play a major role in EA's decision to stick with a single brand and design of cleat but I believe that offering the gamer a greater cleat selection, ala NBA Live and FIFA soccer, would add to the graphical superiority that Madden aspires to achieve year in and year out.  I also feel that the gamer should be able to adorn their players with towels (preferably with QB towels being worn flat and in the front of the uniform like Tom Brady and position players given the option of wearing their towel on either hip) and also be able to individualize to some degree the signature style that each player in the NFL brings to the standard NFL uniform and the game as a whole.  Examples of the way  players express their individuality on the field include their differing sock styles (Ex; Terrence Newman high socks, Deangelo Hall's 3/4 crinkled sock look, Peyton Manning's old school style, Jeremy Shockey's short sock look) skull caps worn under the helmet like Ray Lewis, running styles (for instance Reggie Bush has a sprinters running style while Marvin Harrison runs with a stiff upper torso and almost pitter patters with his feet), and the various ways players tend to carry the ball (example; Dre' Bly/Charles Woodson's respective one handed ball grip and the maneuvering of the ball from side to side while holding the ball with both hands similar to the flare that Deion Sanders brought to the game).  Also, the tape jobs currently seen in Madden also need to be upgraded.  The player models currently in Madden 09 look like they have uggs on their feet rather then tape.  Please resort back to the more realistic tape jobs that were seen in Madden 03 & 04.  Another aspect that can be improved upon is the stances that player around the league have come to be recognized by.  A prime example of this would be Simeon Rice's pre-snap sprinter stance, Champ Bailey's widespread 5 yard cushion coverage stance, D'Angelo Hall's in your face bump and run stance, or Lawrence Taylor's vertical stance.  Another aspect I would hope the makers of Madden improve upon is the ability to control a players actions during the week leading up to a game.  Being able to control a player's film study sessions as well as their eating habits and weight lifting/workout routines and their overall dedication to the game as a whole would offer a realistic touch to an already good game.  Hopefully this particular response doesn't fall upon deaf ears because I feel that some of these changes would make Madden more appealing to the general masses.  Let's face it, Madden is going to sell no matter what but making a few minor adjustments here and there could always help..Thank You for your time and please take my advice into consideration.

P.S.: I have provided a variety of pictures of NFL superstars in an effort to give the producers of Madden 2010 concrete examples of how the player models the Madden 2010 installment should look.  When viewing these pictures please take special note of the various sock styles, cleat brands, tape jobs, towels, unbuckled chin straps, and signature fashion style of each player and also take note of flare certain players display when carrying the football.

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Loather said:

Thanks for at least still considering a comeback and trying to figure out something.  I burns my rear that you wave that frigging exclusive contract like a banner yet do nothing for our platform.  Again Peter if you don't love us, let us go.

"PORT",  "PORT",  "PORT"...Peter.  As a developer, try to learn this word.  PC gamers are not looking for anything special in the design.  We are looking for the same thing.  Other companies have figured this out.  I am sure you have a guy you know at Activision or BethSoft whose brain you can pick.  They got it down.  Maybe someone back at Microsoft can drop some advice on the cross platform subject.  Wink, Wink.

Here is an idea Peter that many companies are using now.  "Community Advocates".  PC guys you do not have to pay that can weigh in and help steer you towards what we want to see on our platform and in our games.  

Peter the answers are out there and if you just open yours eyes they will reveal themselves.  Investigate.  Question yourselves, "why can Company A do it but we cannot."

Former EA Supporter said:

Peter,

Thank you for the acknowledgement of us PC er's. It's a good start and hopefully will lead to more and better communcations down the road.

PCrules!! said:

PORT ! PORT! PORT!!   I think he is starting to hear US. I'm not buying an xbox or a ps3 or any other platform. IF i can't play it on my pc it's not for me.  Madden 09 for PC!!!!!!! PCrules.

Former EA Supporter said:

Loather,

Very good points! Maybe talking to others will be part of the "re-defining" Peter spoke of. Your "Community Advocates" suggestion is an excellent one. What do you think about taking it a step further and include Beta Testing, if you have not already done so? I can see many positives coming from this. Let's hope they will consider it and find those answers you speak of.

Andreas Dahl said:

By "serious business challenges", I take it you mean that it doesn't make enough money because not enough people are buying them?

With that in mind, do you honestly feel that you are putting out products that are worth spending a lot of money on in the first place?

Because it seems like all of your long-running series has reached their maximum potential as a PS2-port (Using the "old gen" technology) years ago, and are simply just getting some "flashy" new feature to lure some first-time buyers into giving you a few bucks..

So, as several people has already mentioned, PORT the next-gen games for goodness sake.

The next-gen games are where 99% of your effort and interest is in these days anyways. So how do you expect getting people excited about a product that you yourself barely spend any money and effort on.

Just look at how many other companies are able to put out amazing "next-gen" games (even better ones) for PC's. You should ask yourself, why not us? Why not EA Sports?

Anyways. I'm not saying that you shouldn't abandon the "old-gen" consoles, because, quite frankly, you should. That's only natural.

But what I am saying is that you shouldn't look upon the PC market in the same way. When it is in fact holds much higher potential than any other.

J0nnyNapalm said:

The least you could so this year for us PC users is release a roster update for Madden 08 that uses the Madden 09 rosters.  Thats all you normally do anyways but you charge us $50 for it.  So why not this year?  Hell, if you give me the info and programs I'll make the patch...

This is about the only way you can attempt to save what little fan base you have left, we PC users haven't been very happy with EA for a while now, but we continue to line your pockets with our hard earned money...the least you could do is release the patch...

And why would you still make the NHL game for PC when it SUCKS!!!  Atleast Madden was good.  It doesnt make any sence to me, port crap and cut the good?  Your just nailing your own coffin shut...

ray said:

My only complaint with you dumping Madden on the PC is that I am not a Console Gamer. I have tried sports games on the console but the freezing and arcade gameplay is a waste. I have bought Madden on the PC since its existence and now the only way I can play a LIcensed NFL game is to buy a 360 or PS3..no way..Maybe another PC developer can make a good NFL game for the PC, but since you own the rights, nobody can. If you have no intention on making Madden next year for the PC, please drop the exclusive rights.

Why would you release the NHL series on the PC?? Are you saying that it makes money becuase I used to buy that game regularly but the last few years have been horrid. If you release NHL on PC can you at least bring back a Fantasy Draft option for Dynasty.

While it took awhile and in my opinion did not clear up much, thanks for at least commenting on PC games.

HenryH said:

Those challenges are because of the INFERIOR ports on the PC. Even with piracy, they wouldn't exist if you delivered an equal experience to the sports titles on consoles. When you use terrible graphics on the PC version of a beautiful looking game on a 360 people are going to go for the console version of the game. When you give PC gamers an equal experience, they will buy the product. It's simple.

I'm not personally affected as I have both current-gen consoles but I can understand why your PC versions don't sell when I go to Gamespot and read a hundred user review, people complaining about the graphical AND gameplay differences on the PC. They say the games are simply roster updates and nothing more. I don't think the pirates are even playing those games, to be honest.

Simply put, good games sell on PC. Look at Valve. :)

HenryH said:

Peter, I hope that instead of looking at numbers and figuring out what sold and what didn't, you actually looked AT the PC version of the game and saw WHY it didn't sell. FIFA will always sell because of how big the lovely sport is worldwide, but it was also dumbed down on the PC.

Work on the quality and the games will sell....

fk915 said:

Hi Mr. Peter

I have been reading all your posts. Not even a single time you mention about EA Cricket and EA Rugby in it. Sometimes it makes me think are these titles really from EA Sports? Whenever I start these games first thing that I see is "EA Sports: its in the game" logo.

So they are made by EA Sports but for some reason you dont bother to mention about it. In your blog you mention about FIFA, NBA live, NHL, Madden NFL, PGA, Nascar, even you mention about FIFA street, NBA street, NFL tours, Fight Nights but you just dont say any single word about EA Cricket and EA Rugby.

I wonder if its done deliberately. You are just ignoring these titles. As a customer, as a fan of EA Cricket and EA Rugby I think you own me an explanation. Please clarify if this blog is only for North American gamers but then again EA Rugby is sold in North America so it doesn’t make sense.

May be its your marketing strategy but not talking about these games won help to boost the sales of these games. If EA Sports has decided to abandon these games then also you should mention that in your blog, that for financial or some other reason you cant continue these series.

Trust me there are plenty of game companies who will happily make Cricket or Rugby game. These games are popular in Europe and Asia. You are from Europe who else will know better about popularity of Rugby in Europe. Cricket has its popularity in certain territories. The games get No.1 slot in England, Australia, South Africa and its really popular in India.

There is no comparison between FIFA ,Madden or NBA series with Cricket or Rugby when it comes to sales. I am not saying that. And you also know that a title shouldn’t be abundant just because it sales is less then the other titles instead you should be looking to enhance the sales by raising the standard of these games. I mean you cant take Madden to Europe and expect people to play and sell more copies then FIFA or Rugby or Cricket.  There are gamers in Europe who love Madden but if you make a decent Rugby or Cricket game that will outsell Madden in England.

If you read these posts as you said you do then you should explain in your next blogs about what’s going on in EA Cricket and EA Rugby?

You mentioned you been to EA Canada recently and I believe both of these games are made by EA Canada so I believe you should have some latest news for us about these two games. Next time please just dont mention abut NHL,NBA,NFL,Nascar,FN,PGA but also mention about Rugby and Cricket.

Cheers

Stephen said:

So Peter, what about 2K Sports announcing NHL 2K9 as the "first and only" NHL game for the Wii shipping this fall? Am I really taking my $50 elsewhere?

Mark228 said:

 I think we all want to help make the games better. All of us hardcore gamers build our own machines invest thousands of dollars for the purpose of playing the games we love.We expect the same treatment as the console player gets. I feel that all of your titles should be released on all platforms (xbox ps3 pc etc.)   Thanks.  

Harald said:

3 games are better than nothing. But I've read on some Fanpages, Fifa 09 is still the PS2 Engine, so no option for me.

So only 2 games left.

And if nhl is not next gen for pc, there is only ONE game left.

This is very disappointing!

Common Sense said:

Some of you just don't get it.

Even when PC games from EA were on their priority list and of the same quality as their console counterparts...sales did not follow suit.

Some of seem to think that if they invested heavily into PC that magically the sales would flood in. But that just id not the case. PC gaming is still healthy in the US, sure (someone mentioned Valve) but for SPORTS games the market demand is just not there regardless of how good the games are. Which is why EA is no longer investing in it and it is why competitors like 2K never have (personally i would have loved an MLB game for PC). Hopefully it all changes someday soon...but dont blame EA for not investing money to please you if they dont make a profit.

It is not a coincidence that the only PC Sports games that are being released are ones that appeal internationally because outside of the US, PC Sports gaming is pretty healthy. Therefore FIFA and NHL get the PC versions. But the US-based sports that have little to no international appeal (NFL, NBA) do not belong on PC from a business standpoint as Peter has made clear in this latest post. IF anything I would expect Tiger to come back next.

However- I do agree with the one poster who said that EA could at least release a roster update patch (with rookies of course) for the 08 owners.

PCrules!! said:

I guess we will find out if Mr. Moore is a man of his word. , "We have no intention to abandon the PC as a sports gaming platform". You have already adandon us. Only two games for the pc platform. We want Madden,NHL,Fifa.Tiger Woods,Nascar, Show us some loyality and at least give us a roster update for madden09 while we wait for EA to reinvigorise our platform. Also NHL08 wasn't much of a good game in my opinon, however MVP Baseball 2005 great game still playing it today.Let us help you to do it right. PCrules

Former EA Supporter said:

Common Sense,

Good points!

I always wondered when the PC and console games were of the same quality and PC game sales didn't follow suit, no disrespect to their R&D, did EA play the blame game or did they try to find out why the sales were low? If a product wasn't selling I'm sure you'd would like to know why. If it was the game what was it about the game? From what I've read in their forums many complaints were about feeling ignored by EA (true or false)when asked a question or offering suggestions. And another was about purchasing games released year after year that were not considered significant improvements (the term glorified roster updates was used). Console owners had similar complaints as well. If someone felt that there was no effort by EA (true or false) then they felt that it wasn't worth their money to purchase the game.  I think that this may have been part of the reason why PC game sales have been what they were. I'm sure there are other reasons as well.

I agree with you I think TIger has a good chance of coming back as well. Here's hoping that US based PC sports (NFL, NBA, etc) has a reimergnce. Madden too!

Peter has said: We continue to explore new ideas for reinvigorating the PC platform for sports.  

This is good. Maybe one of those ideas would be to work with the PC fanbase that you have at EA. Also as suggested in another post "Community Advocates". While you don't have to ask every little question the input that you get could be helpful in determining what would help reinvigorate the game. Best of all  it wouldn't cost you any money. I'm sure if you asked you would get some volunteers.

We're open to new and unique ideas Peter. Can we ask the same of you?

I too would like to see a roster update for Madden 08 pc. I've heard on the forums that one is being worked on but there was no word of when it would be relieased.

Symo said:

Hi Peter,

Could you please provide an update for Cricket 09 and Rugby 09 for us gamers who live in Australia and Asis pacific region. Thanks

7 said:

mr moore i think your full of it. we can all agree that madden is the best selling game in the world so if its the best selling game in the world why would you not make it for pc but say you as a company will still make nhl 09 and fifa for pc i got your anser for you its called europe and we all know the euro dollar is priceless right now and the american dollar not so good your trying to make the europeans happy cause soccer and hockey are really big but your say screw us. your an a-hole.

you could have at least given us nfl head coach for pc since its a sim game till you fig out how to make pc sports games prophitable for you.  

Robert Williams said:

I just find it hard to believe that the MOBILE Phone and PSP versions of Madden outsell PC...just my humble opinion.

Loather said:

While there may not be a whole ton of point to massive engineering for the PC alone, the fact remains that massive engineering is not needed.  When porting a game there is not massive redesign needed.  The porting is not needed to be reverse engineered for every single title.  Once the method is known it can be repeated fairly easy.  There are a huge number of companies that are engaging in this and it does not take a huge investment.  

More investment is needed to give us our own product but we are not asking for it.  We are asking for a port of the Next-Gen stuff.  We want the same thing.

The only investment needed is to bring a handfull of people over that understand this method.  Maybe a creative guy from Activision, Microsoft or BethSoft.

Imagine the kudos EA would recieve for implementing cross platform.  There must be some at Moores old stomping yard that could help since the XBOX 360 crowd would benefit too.

Common Sense said:

Loather,

What about distribution investments? Because those are very significant costs as well.

It is not just development...not by a long shot.

bacardigold said:

well at least thanks for adding commentary to madden 09 but tom hammond needs to go bye bye

he sounds stiff or dead and not in sync with the way the plays are about to unfold, on the other hand cris collingsworth is a keeper

unit1102 said:

"7 said:

mr moore i think your full of it. we can all agree that madden is the best selling game in the world so if its the best selling game in the world why would you not make it for pc but say you as a company will still make nhl 09 and fifa for pc i got your anser for you its called europe and we all know the euro dollar is priceless right now and the american dollar not so good your trying to make the europeans happy cause soccer and hockey are really big but your say screw us. your an a-hole.

you could have at least given us nfl head coach for pc since its a sim game till you fig out how to make pc sports games prophitable for you. "

Dude, seriously?! Madden is NOT the biggest selling game in the world - think Halo 3, CoD4. Hell, even Halflife!

Peter is not aiming this personally at PC gamers, he is doing this from a business point of view. If you were selling an item that was losing you money (or even not making a tidy enough profit to continue making it) would YOU continue to make it?! I doubt you would.

I do agree that a port could be the way to go, but EA are releasing so many games this year that maybe the time and effort is being spent elsewhere, you can't blame them, they are a profit building business at the end of the day?

As a fellow PC gamer myself (though I do have a 360 as well), I am disappointed that TW 09 won't be released. But then again, for the same price I can get it on the 360 (albeit, with worse controls) and still enjoy it.

Though one question to Peter - Is Head Coach being released in the UK at the same time as Madden, or are we not getting it at all? Only reason I ask is that I have Madden pre-ordered for the 360 and I wanna know how much money I need lol!!!

Cheers guys

Former EA Supporter said:

Common Sense,

While I do not know the actual costs involved in distribution, how much do you think it would reduce those costs if the game were available as a download instead of creating it and shipiing on cd/dvd?

EA could make it so that the game would need an activation code to work and only work on the machine it is installed on. I've seen many companies do this and offer a backup cd/dvd for a small fee. EA could still make some investment off it. EA gets it price for the full game and some extra for those that want backups and they only have produce them as needed.  

Peter, Do you see this as a viable option for any of your future pc game related sales?

Loather, said:

@ Common Sense

If the delivery costs for a PC game far exceed that of any other platform, EA is doing something wrong.  Plus, EA/EA Sports has this wonderful tool called the EA Downloader aimed at digitally delivering the game to PC users via the net.  I know I have bought successfully from there a time or two.  I also know that many titles install it automatically.  This method has been huge for many companies world wide.  MMOs have been making it a staple delivery method in the market but I have found myself purchasing a couple FPS and a racing game via this method.  Works great.    

Seems like at first you were arguing on developing costs and now when I point out it can be done "relatively" low budget, there has to be something else.  Now that I have pointed out that EA/EASports already have a underlying low cost delivery method what will it be?  Advertising?  That image at the bottom of every add that lists the platform must cost about $1.25 in man hours for the whole add.  Wallet breaker.  Just like a team losing badly, start blaming the refs.

Oh wait...piracy...before anyone throws that out there, who has not heard of a mod chip.  Everyone I know has their consoles modded so they caan rent games, burn them and have them for $3.00 a pop.  Piracy is not just there on PC so that argument is seriously flawed.

I am starting to think you are Moore in disguise.

Jeff said:

Why make a PC version of NHL if you're not even going to bother offering a roster update ? like you did for NHL 08....

Tony said:

The last Cricket game by EA was Cricket 07. I would certainly like to know when the next Cricket is coming.

Common Sense said:

To Loather:

Yup. Its Peter in disguise. You got me. Hear me roar: rawrrrrrr.

Really though:

first i never mentioned i was defending development costs only. i always refer to costs as entire costs and my whole point is that all costs > sales revenue = loss.  Please refer to Unit's post.

As far as downloads-only...that depends. From my experience in retail: major manufacturer's have relationships with retailers that could be costly to throw a wrench in. Its tough to say without any confidential information.

But i think it is good for Peter and EA to make a decision: either fully commit to PC and put out quality products to please to quality-stingy PC market (and lose money) or just cut losses and revisit the PC market regularly before re-entering.

Its all good business.

7 said:

unit1102

out of the three you mentioned how many of them have an actual game show made for them um that would be zero. lol madden has sold more copys than all three of those games you mentioned all together and they have a tv series based on the game if it were not for madden you wouldnt be playing any ea games because im pretty sure road rash did not put them on the map.

can you tell me what logical sence it makes to make nhl and fifa for pc but not madden for pc  its to apease the europians like i said. surly not for us americans we could care less for fifa its to arcadish and watered down graphics as for the nhl on pc its sucked for yrs. the commentary is horrid the graphics stink and the game play is just as bad. the only reason the games sells world wide like they do is because you can mod the hell out of it with cyber faces uniforms stadiums or arena otherwise the fan sites would not be as rampant as they are. its sure not for the quality of the product because there the same game every yr based on dx8 graphics and shader models any pc can run them.  

now if they actually make them next gen congrats i will get excited for the future but if there the same lol they will see the same results the pc gamer is alot smarter than the average bear whos web sites do you think they browse to get ideas that would be the pc community and they dump them into next gen every year. we as a hole demand quality the  kiddy consell gamer just wants to pop it in and pretend there the worlds greatest player as they cheese on ea servers we stride for realisim and quality i have 5 grand in my pc and my video card alone cost my 600 dollars all built by me yes i have a ps3 and xbox 360 elite but to tell you the truth i love my pc for one i can play it for days and not turn it off if you attempt it you will get the red ring of death having to buy another system. the who next gen systems are poorly designed why would you put a 256mb vid processor in a next gen then make new ones with 65nm falcon boards for heat issues and not give 512 mb when if you know anything about systems its really cheap to go to 512 since your trying to render next gen on 256mb it really hard to acheave your goals of graphics and game frame rate.

this company makes and tests the next gen games on a pc so for me to swallow that its costley is crazy they could release them after 1-2 months i personally dont mind to wait. if they can get bioshock and gears of war to run great on pc they can make there next gen sports games.

seriosly if they are not going to develope it please let a third party run with it then you can make money for letting others make them and monitor the sales costs you nothing cause you making money for letting others preduce quality games and yes there out there even nascar 2003 season by seira is far better than any nascar game ea made the physx for damage is realistic  5 yr old game is still a better sim. as for the nascar game that they make on next gen it going to continue to not do that great untill you can add commentary otherwise its boring  

Zee said:

Peter

Just wanted to say thanks for coming back to us with regard to the PC games issue and lack of TW09 for the PC.

There are two main website communities that will be keeping this game alive and kicking whilst EA consider their future plans for the game on the PC platform. One is Coursedownloads.com the other is PGAX.net.

Whilst the EA jury is out, why not get a few of your guys to pop into PGAX and take on the best of the rest in our weekly online tour that mirrors the real US PGA tour, playing at the same courses we see on TV each week. (Which we as a team, recreate)

Bring your "A" game though, we take no prisoners by playing at Expert level and only play very dry greens!

Hope you guys can visit us and rest assured, we will still be here when you guys do indeed bring out a future version of this great game.

Thanks again, your response is much appreciated.

Regards

Zee

http://www.pgax.net

JB (jbcalg) TWC said:

disappointing to officially hear, but not terribly surprising either

The long standing TW-PC communities will continue to do what they've done since EA stopped involving the player community in the development of the series (circa TW06)

- find ways to bring an enjoyable playing experience with custom course designs, tours, and technical support

-  and the opportunity to interract online with a broad range of PC enthusiasts

since community is inclusive, not exclusive .... here's a few more 'main sites'

Not every site offers what others do, but we're all part of the TW-PC experience

TigerWoodsCommunity.net

EsportsGolf.comt

TWTHQ.com

WorldFriendsGolf.com

dresi said:

You are so kind, that you are releasing Fifa on PC with great five years old graphic engine. Tell me, when you will finally do something good for PC sports. I want same graphics like on X360 and PS3. It's just ridiculous, that Madden on Wii looking better then on PC...

B said:

Bring back a fully updated Tiger Woods for 09.  I read a preview of this game for the 360 and PC gamers would drool over this level of gameplay for Tiger on the PC.  

Maybe this will inspire some other publishers to get involved.  I would like to see titles like Jack Nicklaus Golf return and also Links come back as well.  Links was the most in-depth game of its time and I wouldn't mind see it take up the sales that EA is going to miss out on.

zee said:

It was remiss of me to exclude some of the other sites in my earlier post and I therefore apologise to the guys running them. I was just emphasising the sites which are turning out most of the new designs for this game. No offence meant.

SIR PUTTERMAN said:

The best thing EA could do to  re-energize  the TW game is to bring out a new course design tool the course  architect or CA  while it was a good tool for its time needs to be revamped.  

a few suggestion on what I mean is  the ability to overlap textures the difference this would make in the  creation of more realistic course  would be outstanding!.

If it was not  for the custom courses  that have been created  by  some great designers  than this game would have died  long ago, I mean who wants to play the same old courses over and over  again?

I know this may be a sore point with  EA as they are thinking  how does this  make more  money for us?(Let's face it boys and girls its all about the  bling) Well if indeed you came out  with a  new and more powerful designing tool you could sell it as an add on.

Hmm pay  $50.00  and play the same old  courses  or  buy an add on  for  say $30.00  and  get to design  and play some fantastic courses.

Maybe run this by  the bean counters and see how much extra loot that would add to the  coffers you may be pleasantly  surprised .

Dolous07 said:

As a manager how could you have felt good about the release of Madden 08.  It took only a matter of weeks for us to find out that many things didn't work.  It is your job to ask the hard questions.  I know what your thinking, who are you to ask this.  I'm a manager and I control and am responsible for everything that happens in my building.  Madden 08 was just bad we've seen some info that says you guys are fixing it, but the things you've added did not add to the game play of tyour core customers.  Backtrax/mulligan, adapting to my play, those are for attracting new customers, if you don't take care of the customers you have then your going to be in big trouble.  Young kids are not playing Madden, a football game is much more indepth than a basketball or baseball.  Your cleints are older who demand content, not just more flashy nonsense.  You have put all this energy into head coach, yet you still will not give us the owner mode/ franchise that we had in previous gen.  Do I think you'll lose money by contuing to put out a Madden game that is sub par, no.  I hope that as leader, a developer your pride alone will not let this continue.  We want a great game that works.  What game do you play?

Smiller said:

The thing I don't get is that I heard it is really easy to port games nowadays, especially with games from X360.  hence the port for Devil May Cry 4.  We PC gamers do not mind if a game comes out later then the console versions, just as long as it is a good port and actually taken care of. Programming the game should be a lot easier simply because of the fact that X360 is basically a computer and allows for a fast port rate.  

As I have seen in the previews of things to come, Madden 09 looks like a game I would really like to play, it finally has next gen graphics, it seems like it has a lot more fluid game play than before, and not just the same graphics engine year after year.  How can you deny people who have put a lot of money into their computers for the sole purpose of playing games, simply because they do not own a next gen console?  Sorry but I don't have enough money to go out and buy one just so I can play Madden.  I have bought the last two Madden series for the PC.  You say, its more enjoyable from a distance and on the couch with buddies.  Why can I not hook up two controllers to my PC and play with my buddy or what about the online element?  PC games are meant to be played online, consoles didnt even come with that capability until waaay after PC had this.  

So, what do I say?  Thanks for denying me of the next gen experience of Madden 09?  Cuz I will not be buying a console just to play this.  But I do love the madden series.  I say figure out a way to satisfy everyone, not just yourself. .  

rich meehan said:

Peter,

Please send a check for the approximately $1000 I wasted on your franchise, I'd give it all back for the PC version of the game I have faithfully plucked down my hard earned cash for over the last twenty years.  It's a slap in the face to not produce a pc version of the 20th anniversary edition, i can promise you I will not be supporting any of the EA platforms going forward, as you have abandoned me.

Have fun stealing candy from babies and kicking stray dogs on your way to the crapper to read your financial reports, hope your mom has power of attorney your heartless, soulless, poor excuse for a man.  I bet you a freaking Mac guy, aren't ya?

real gamer said:

i have been a ea sport pc fan for over the past 15 years loyally buying every thing from madden to nba live "EA CRICKET 07" you name it. but now  all i can say is you finally did it . i am finished with you guys.  the only game that is worth getting on from there company is madden ,why because of the license rights thing.  from now on i will be switching  to 2k sports because there games are better anyways

hopefully 2k sports can see this as an opportunity to expand there platform to the pc,with the likes of nba  2k9 ( on my wish list ). i mean the profits made could be enormous why, because all the  real loyal ea sport pc gamers left to the dust by ea will switch to 2k sports , i was even a little guilty this past year for not buying fifa 08 and buying pro evolution soccer instead but now i feel no remorse.

in the long run you guys will regret this  for not pleasing your long time fans, only pleasing these  lame rookie gamers who are fascinated with hd quality instead of gameplay. ha ha  its happening already has numerous online petitions are being signed as we speak to stop supporting ea sports period . wonder how that will affect your sales this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2KSPORTS RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nicolai Czempin said:

Wow, I have just read in a German magazine (PC Games) how John Riccitello was aw, so self-critical, saying things like "we are boring people to death", " we had a big role in getting overtaken studios to fail". Perhaps those comments were made after the Madden 09 PC comedy of errors.

Yes, the PC is a much more difficult platform than the consoles. Getting lots of revenue by monopolistic principles (such as exclusive licenses, how land-of-the-free is that?) will make you complacent, however, and it seems that this has been the case, Why improve the products when they are flying off the shelves anyway?

It is very dangerous IMHO to treat the "hardcore" fans like this, it's a total PR disaster. Just to leave out the PC platform in the press release, without even addressing the drop of the PC version, less than six months before the release date, is really amateurish.

It is amazing how many people wrote just in the blog how long they've played EA games, in particular Madden, and how they not only will not buy a console or not buy _any_ EA games for one, but they want to stop buying EA games altogether. I'm fairly sure that those numbers will not show up immediately in sales. However, many of those hard-core fans are opinion leaders, and in the long run EA will suffer dearly in image. Actually it has already suffered a great deal, and the complacency has started to bite them back. EA is no longer #1; they tried desparately to buy out Take 2 for the juicy GTA franchise, but guess what, the company's image was also a factor in why the deal was rejected.

Nobody is saying that you (or EA) should cater _only_ to the hardcore gamers, that is probably not a profitable strategy. But to slap them in the face like it has been done here seems to contradict the apparent light at the end of the tunnel that got EA realizing that a lot of mistakes were made.

I am happy that I sold my EA shares back when it was still a convincing company.

On more technical things:

It is really hard for me to believe that this get-rid-of-Madden-for-PC was a really well-deliberated maneuver, like Peter Moore is trying to convey. It really smells of desparation and chaos. It is technically very possible to write a game engine that is portable across platforms including the PC, not the smallest reason being that the XBOX is based on DirectX (and if you can support the PS3 and the XBox 360 and the DS from the same code base, it is much easier to also include the PC). Of course for the PC you have the biggest problem that you have to support a variety of different hardware setups, and an XBOX is an XBOX, or a PS3 is a PS3, so the developers can make many assumptions that are more complicated on the PC. However, with all the advances in Operating Systems, these differences are becoming smaller and smaller.

Actually it would be hard for a new title to support numerous platforms, but for franchise titles like the EA Sports titles, it would be ridiculous if there weren't already many many mechanisms in place for cross-platform support.

One last thing:

Not allowing any competitor to make an NFL-licensed game, and then not offering your own (worse, actually pulling out one that was in progress), really makes you look extremely extremely bad.

EA, it seemed to be dawning to some of your senior officers that you really have fumbled in the past. If you want to grab that loose ball, you'd better start getting more open, and not feed us PR euphemisms about "difficult PC market". You are losing, nay have lost, your edge, and are going downhill fast. Decision such as the Madden 09 PC axe show that you obviously haven't yet understood where the real problem lies.

Try getting back to the fundamentals, you have become fat and lazy.

Nicolai Czempin said:

just one more comment (sorry :-), food for thought:

Do you really want people to buy your games because the competition has been crushed with exclusive licenses, or because your games are the BEST?

Your actions seem to show that you don't really care.

modman said:

ea sports suck period . i jumped off the bandwagon for a while now. am not sure but i think 2ksports are owned by ea so it does not make a difference going to them. hopefully a unofficial group can come up with games to please us PC gamers . if not i will just continue to stick with the fighting games like medal of honor and crysis.... it so funny they are even trying to monopolize gta4 to buy them out . hope rockstar games refuses because then we all will be DOOMED

Dolous07 said:

We are talking to the wrong guys. Phil and those guys are just doing their job. We need to be pounding on the guys who make decisions. The link below is to Peter Moore's blog he is the President of EA Sports. He was appointed in September of 07. He is the guy we need to send thousands of post with our great ideas for the game we want. We start at the top that will get some attention. Evidently he was appointed to change the culture at EA sports. 09 seems to be headed in the right direction. It is Peter Moore we need to hold accountable for what happens. Everyone lets flood his blog and get the attention that Madden deserves. He's on the EA sports home page.

Mr. Moore we expect moore than what EA has delivered since the start of the next gen consoles. I have said that there needs to be the right leadership to get Madden next gen up to par with its past. I hope that you come to fully understand the passion we have for this game. Some of us will not hold back, its because we love it. Are you going to lead this group or will there be another appointment in EA Sports future?????

http://itsinthegame. ea.com

Larry said:

Peter peter peter,

I feel so bad that TW 09  is the end of PC gaming for EA.

Now that - THAT is out of the way - can you rcomend a good golf gameing company with online play for the PC?

The reason I am asking is because I will never again buy an EA product>

AshleyMarie said:

Ok here it is.......Very upset you have decided to take away TW from the PC. I play this game daily yes there are some issues in the game but none that we can not over come.I think with the advertising that is being posted on the courses including canadian advertising this would help offset some of the costs. This is one game that all ages can play and I have met some very nice people in their late 70's who injoy the interaction it gives them each and every day.

Can everyone play Xbox don't think so or the wii or the ps3 but even those with handicaps can and do play the PC games .......oh but dont give any thought to those people after all just take care of the kids who play with the over rated Xbox etc.

If tw goes away I also will not be buying any more EA products as this is starting to appear to me like its a company who cares not for the people who have spent many hours playing tigerwoods and for many years and true enough we are not the 16year olds but none the less the age group that has the money to purchase the game and the brains to play it respectable with others on line.

It has been put to twcommunity to set up a web site that we can continue to play this game and interact I hope they are able to do this .

Who knows someone there with all the great designers and talented people maybe they will design games of their own we can purchase and become your competor. A shame it is coming to this type of end and yet still no word as to how long the servers will remain up for us to play.

Charlie said:

As a PC gamer and avid basketball fan, I must say that even after 2 lackluster products in NBA live 07 and 08, I was still very much excited about the prospects for NBA live 09...

I've been hoping for as long as the next Gen consoles have been out that someday the PC NBA live game would be given that kind of treatment. Looks like the wait will be even longer now...

The News that NBA live 09 will not be coming out for the PC hurts a lot. Thats will be 3 years now, without a good basketball game for PC...

(sigh)....

(leaves)

Brian Harvey said:

Mr. Moore, thanks for your time. I have a question about Fifa Manager. Once upon a time it was "fused" to the Fifa title. Will this ever happen again? Will FM be on the 360 and be available stateside? I know that Fifa isn't nearly as marketable a title here across the pond from Europe. But it would be nice to be able to possibly order a NTSC version for the consoles from at least the EA store. Oh yeah, Glory Glory Man United!

theeseguysrgood said:

i started playing thing this game in 2002, ihave2008

, i haveve bought my son and daughter many EA Sprorts game?

they may not play on line but at 50 to 60 $ a pop bekind we need my son owns no tiger woods games but many other titles@50 60% of the games. TY THEESEGUYSRGOOD

theeseguysrgood said:

ty need message boards for clubs

theeseguysrgood said:

i have spent a lot!!! of money on ea sports rember wailli open???

theeseguysrgood said:

rember wailai nintendo 64

theeseguysrgood said:

not what i said

theeseguysrgood said:

u own it

Bob said:

Peter, your cop out this year by not providing TW09 for the PC is inexcusable. The only reason you guys probably decided to go console only, is because for the past 2 years each version on the PC has sucked ass. You never fixed any of the bugs from the 07 version, you failed to provide a course architect (again!) and we were stuck listening to the same lame ass commentary from the 05 version. I've grown tired of hearing them talk about my pants for 4 years. You are going to lose out on a very large market because of your incompetence, lack of originality and improper planning. But then again that seems to be the golden standard at EA; don't plan, rush the product, issue a patch to fix major bugs, don't fix the rest, then rinse and repeat for the next cycle. In the end all you have is a big pile of ***. EA has destroyed one of the better franchises they had in shooters, that being Medal of Honor. You followed the same cycle I listed above and you bombed big time with Airborne, mainly because EA, like idiots, forgot to include large multiplayer support. Whatever rep you had with that game has been trashed. You constantly seem to *** up Madden, but have made great strides in NCAA Football over the last 3 years. All EA has done thus far with their exclusive NFL contract is piss all over it. In contrast, look at what Take2 has done with their license for MLB. They have produced a far better game than MVP ever was and probably ever will be should it come back. You had a good thing going with MVP College Baseball, but you never put in the effort to develop it. Speaking of Take2, I think EA's bid at a hostile takeover is deplorable. Trying to get rid of the only quality competition in the basketball market (Frankly the 2K series eats March Madness for lunch) while trying to get the exclusive rights to MLB back under your brand and eliminate any future competition in the football market. Speaking of basketball, you guys could learn some lessons from Take2, sans the takeover. They have fluid movement and controls, while March Madness is clunky and complex. 2K has better ball physics and allows for many more adjustments to be made without taking a timeout. March Madness has the college atmosphere and better off season recruiting, but lacks everything else. You need to do with March Madness what you did to NCAA 09. Make it indepth off the court, dynamic and fluid in the arena/on the court and interesting during the offseason.

That's about all I really have to say. I think your choice to pull sports titles from the PC market this year is lame, just like your company is turning out to be. I guarantee you though, I will indeed make sure that your decision about this matter is known in the coming weeks in the national press and you can *** well guarantee I will make you answer for your choice. I will do everything within my power to make sure the gaming public as well as the general public knows about this so they may provide ample response to your incompetent decision.

hobbfather said:

I think at this point you owe the community these games on the PC regardless if you make profit or not. We all know this will not hurt you, it's not like EA is broke. We have given you so much money I think it is greedy to cancel titles just because you don't think your profit margin will be high enough. However you still plan to ship FIFA and NHL for the pc which is unfortunate for me as these are the only two titles I do not play and I do not and will not play consoles! I am still playing nba 08, madden 08 and mlb 03 (I don't have 05) and looks like if I ever want to play sports games again thats what I will be stuck with. I also agree with the many others here that the extreme least you could do is offer updates for all the titles you will not be releasing, that would not be very hard or take much time at all. Overall I am ashamed of EA's actions and hope you realize what your doing to your fanbase.

Ray said:

Just played NHL 07 again just to re-fresh myself with the game...THere was a reason why I didnt want 08 and it was that 07 was a horrible game, and by all indications 08 was horrilbe. So why would you want to release it on the PC when PC games are losing you money??? I cannot see how NHL sells more copies than Madden, and financial issues were the reason for no Madden.

Im assuming you are releasing NHL on the PC because it costs you very little to because all you are going to do is re-package 08, or should I say 07, or even 06 with a Roster Update (sort of)  and claim its all nice and new!! Yeah Right.

If thats the case,,release Madden on the PC with the same "improvements".

Dont expect a response because I have yet to see EA respond to specific complaints, usually just an umbrellla answer.

0331marine said:

Dear Mr Moore

As much as I understand the argument of loss and profit in regards to a business, there is also the issue of brand image and consumer loyalty. I consider myself an old school gamer, remembering titles of EA back when you were very small and infact made what was considered good and orginal games, it is with sadness I now look upon EA and its portfolio of games, creativty and orginality seems now to have evaporated in the heated corperate enviorment that now prevails at EA. From a buisness point of view I understand the heavy invesment in the "cash cows", one only need to look to Hollywood to see the same phenomenon, What I would like to see are  some inovetive and daring games, Games not surefire to be a sucess, but games that can garner kudos for their orginality and inovative use of concepts. This can in turn garner new fans and customers.

The use of piracy as a problem in regards to PC gaming is IMHO a cop out, piracy isnt lost sales, simply becasue a pirate wouldnt have purchased the game in the first place, and second, many people who do download the game will infact purchase the game if it is good enough. So one could thereby postulate that if EA is being plauqed with piracy it may need to make their games better and improve their public image. The big corporation doesnt get as much sympathy as the small indy publisher do. If they can make money on small niche games what is then standing in EA's way of making money in the same marked space? I hope it isnt the profit margin.

pat said:

madden 08 sucked hopefully 09 is better

kurt enevoldsen said:

Hej Peter.

Im so sorry that we not get a tw09 for pc. I have been a great fan and playing tw since 1999.

Remember most of the folks who play tw are from 25-67 years old and they will not go out and get a playst/x-box- Hope you soon will come with a tiger woods PC game else many of your cuostermer will leave EA games and for me its a big mistake. Many folks spend a lot of time builting homepage  make tours and getting a lot of friends trough tw. so please  think once again and make MANY happy.

Best regards a old danish fool who LOVE golf.

Msee said:

While I am disappointed on one hand if EA takes two years and actually updates the engines on their PC games to match what they are doing on consoles I will be happy in the long haul. If they simply bow out of the PC market I guess other companies will suddenly have an opportunity to step in and fill the gap and hopefully surpass EA in terms of quality in their games.

Here is one question I do have though. Will EA stop the online services for these games or will they allow the current users to be able to play online until they come out with something new for the PC?

Serge Paradis said:

Please sign the petition about the Tiger Woods 2009 on PC version.

http://www.sitedefisgolf.com

Richard MADDEN PC GAMER said:

its quite simple Mr. Moore, no Madden for PC you lose my buisness for all EA sports titles, yeah its only a few hundred bucks but it will go to your rivals, 2K sports, SCE, Take 2, ETC.Bottom line is I played madden on the PC for ONLINE FRANCHISES which you dont/cant or havent implemented in a console. Madden was the single game holding me to be loyal to EA sports but since you turned your back on me as a PC gamer and consumer I turn mine on you.

Richard MADDEN PC GAMER said:

its quite simple Mr. Moore, no Madden for PC you lose my buisness for all EA sports titles, yeah its only a few hundred bucks but it will go to your rivals, 2K sports, SCE, Take 2, ETC.Bottom line is I played madden on the PC for ONLINE FRANCHISES which you dont/cant or havent implemented in a console. Madden was the single game holding me to be loyal to EA sports but since you turned your back on me as a PC gamer and consumer I turn mine on you.

Austin said:

EA Sports gets worse every year ... No 'Tiger Woods 2009 ' on the PC is the last straw for me.

the man said:

what a joke ea sucks and i will never buy a ps3 or xbox just to play madden mr moore you should be embersted bye what you have done reasling to crap games that no one even cares about doesnt make any since what so ever

Supreme said:

why no live for pc this that all i got is a pc i just got a logitech joystick to play the live 08 that i bought from bestbuy like christmas time.

i dont think its right  what about the people who play live at work, in the office on the pc,

what about us plz this is not right

superstar911 said:

hey peter, please do tell more about the buisness challenges. The fact that ea keeps putting out bull crap on pc or the fact that you do not believe people have a good enough pc to play the next gen nhl. what about call of duty 4, only the greatest game on earth and the most played online. go look at how many copies it sold for pc. why? because its not a bullshit cop out on the pc. there is no reason ea can't sell millions of copies for the pc if it doesn't cop out and does a proper decent job. Ever hear the saying, hard work pays off? please for the sake of all pc gamers, do not make us waste our money again like we have over the last 3 years. if you are worried about piracy, make an awsome game with amaizing online play and guess what, people buy it because they can't play it online without a registered cd key.

Common Sense said:

This thread is just too funny.

Most of you swear off EA for not making PC games now and then say you will buy competitors. The funny thing is, there aren't competitors. So i guess none of you will be buying any games at all. Thats a shame because games are fun.

If you're mad about no PC sports games thats perfectly understandable. But dont be mad at Peter. Be mad at the rest of the world for not caring about PC Sports (keyword Sports) games and thus there being no mass market for them. Its all business.

In the sports genre, its all on consoles. Either accept that FACT or just keep convincing yourself that EA is just trying to stick it to you for no good reason. Which sounds more logical?

Customer Disservice said:

"Contrary to some of the passionate posts on this blog, we have no intention to abandon the PC as a sports gaming platform. Rather, we are taking this time to re-define the way we bring you compelling experiences while at the same time making sure we make